charlie kirk got shot at a speaking event

[Noyka]

My take on this and all political violence we spend too much time bitching about who was on ehdt side the fact is the person was radicalized in one way or another and committed an atrocity because of it.

This hard-on bearer, the catholic church shooter, the guys who tried to kill bag of diarrhea inside another, bigger bag of diarrhea, the Minnesota killer all are radicals all are evil and we must address how they became radical as a society.

You can disagree you can even find someone’s words repulsive (or them as a person) but crossing that line should never be justified.

[Lavabug]

No disagreement from me there.

But it's peak irony that this last hard-on bearer who got pwned is a top-tier contributor to radicalization of young people. Him and others like him such as Tim Pool and Ben Shapiro have been on other mass shopper's list of influences, at the very least their browsing history.

For the first time, they get some blow back from the societal conditions they created. Maybe the smart ones will take a moment to reflect and take a break or leave the industry altogether. But that would probably be a wasted opportunity, as there's lots to be made from more media appearances.

[Mesarthim]

I agree with Noyka in principle, but also Lavabug gets it.

[Noyka]

No disagreement from me there.

But it's peak irony that this last hard-on bearer who got pwned is a top-tier contributor to radicalization of young people. Him and others like him such as Tim Pool and Ben Shapiro have been on other mass shopper's list of influences, at the very least their browsing history.

For the first time, they get some blow back from the societal conditions they created. Maybe the smart ones will take a moment to reflect and take a break or leave the industry altogether. But that would probably be a wasted opportunity, as there's lots to be made from more media appearances.

Thie is true but then there are “protest” groups who train and radicalize folks on the left. Not sure who exactly funds them (soros is blamed for everything when it isn’t always him) but they are responsible for many riots we have seen n the last few years including the anti semitism on campus. I heard middle east funded alot of the protesting/radicalization on campus which just sounded xenophobic to me it is hard to know who funnels money where on both sides.

I am not talking about legit first amendment protected protests i am talking about the violent riots that include burning property, blocking streets, intimidating folks trying to get to work, threatening people for being jewish, and antifa’s tactics of infiltrating peaceful protests simply to try and stir up chaos.

It is two sides of the same coin the bomb throwing right wingers and the mob like left wingers.

I feel like many (not all) leftists gloss over it or act like it doesn’t happen which is infuriating and part of the problem. It really feels like since covid shit has gotten worse and worse.

There are some right wing groups but they are already declared terrorists for the most part and I see even folks on the right calling them out.

Point being it should be universally accepted to cut this shit out and its not.

[Noyka]

You can tell i lean to the right a bit currently

Still don’t like current admin they are part of the problem too

[Lavabug]

Ok, property destruction, sure whatever. Richard Spencer got punched 9 years ago, there's that. Somehow his antisemtism on campus gets a pass from the right on free speech grounds, but protesting a war doesn't lol.

Who's making bomb threats to universities, gunning down democratic lawmakers (and mocking the victims), bludgeoning the speaker of the house (and starting a fundraiser to post bail for the assailant, which Charlie did), and flat out storming the capitol to overturn a democratic election while threatening to hang the VP, and who gave them the presidential pardon?

I don't give two shits about the current crop of corporate owned democrats, but come on. The right in the US clearly has a monopoly on violence and doesn't uphold the law equally. Tesla arsonists get threatened with terrorism charges while actual insurrectionists get a presidential pardon. There's absolutely no need to pretend there's a middle ground, let's be a bit more principled than some lazy faux "centrists".

[Noyka]

You are absolutely delusional if you think the right has a monopoly on violence

Reporters have been punched, speakers have been shot, innocent folks threatened, attempted assassinations including scalese. Yeah both sides have it do not pretend the left is innocent they aren’t extremists exist on both sides.

Jan 6th was as much pelodi’s fault for denying requests for security she was warned of a potential riot. Also guess who the only person to die in jan 6 was? A rioter it was also 4 years ago somehow the lie that 10 cops died has become truth in some circles. It was a riot it was bad but definitely not the only riot ever.

2020 blm riots destroyed many small businesses that never recovered. Property damage may seem like not a big deal but it devastates people who aren’t rich. Think about if your car or your home (place you rent currently), your guitars, whatever you value were set on fire?

Riots in la, school campuses (which you seem to excuse as war protests, many seemed to not be that), and in portland were this year. For the record i am against the genocide myself but threatening someone trying to study just for being jewish is despicable and it was caught on tape events like this happened.

I am against any infringement on people's right to an education especially one they paid for just as I am against first amendment violations.

I did not see any rational person mock the minnesota murder name names if a senator or person of note did thisbecause that is despicable and I would like to know.

The bludgeoning incident was a mentally unwell person not a right winger you are sadly misinformed if you did not already know that it again speaks to mental illness crisis we have in this nation which i have already ranted about and really do not know a humane answer here.

[Noyka]

I avoid twitter, facebook, and tik tok like the plague. I also mostly stay on the cooking/food and crafting side of youtube so miss a lot of stuff unless i am sent it by a fellating lover.

[User]

hearing the governor of utah read the bullet casing messages was hilarious

[Corpsepyre]

https://x.com/Soulful1865/status/1966705138774536534

Just came across this, and LAWLD. One of many takedowns of the fucking idiot.

[User]

he was a very weird looking dude, i had never seen him before he got shot in the neck and i discovered who he was for the first time

seems obnoxious, and always like chewing, or something

[Ryeknow2]

Too much hate in the world. I don't dig it

[Mesarthim]

Too much hate in the world. I don't dig it

Don’t want none, don’t start none.

He knew the risk of being a professional shit-stirrer.

And if he didn’t, well he certainly did in the end.

[jawn galliano]

things have gotten so strange so quickly. the kickoff of the SMO marked, to me, the first time our collective public derangement seemed to return to or in some cases, even exceed the fervor of the 9/11 aftermath. this episode makes that one look rather quaint by comparison.

it's early yet to say, but the kirk killing is probably the symbolic inauguration of a new era in domestic life - the event itself was instantly seized on and ruthlessly exploited by the right-wing influencer sphere, and the entirety of the liberal political and media establishment has enthusiastically cheered them on the whole way. despite his overall unpopularity with actual people, he is being canonized into an american political saint by force - anyone who disagrees with his beneficence out loud runs the risk of having their life destroyed in an instant. it is a show of power, look at what we can do, look at who we can make into a hero overnight, look at the values you'll be made to worship.

all of our institutions are aiding the arch-conservatives in this campaign, and all this is before the almost total consolidation of online and media channels by bag of diarrhea inside another, bigger bag of diarrhea allies has even completed. the right is calling for political persecution and the waging of war against "the left", and the opposition has no response apart from chiding our incivility and calling for decorum. apart from channelling more power to the executive, the judicial system has completely abdicated. the government is now a rampaging octogenarian toddler whose central ethos is 'you have to be nice to me and my friends' and a security apparatus that is completely loyal to him and his friends. all propped up by the whole of the american transnational business establishment, which finds the present conditions to be quite favorable to their own fortunes.

i don't know how durable this order is, but without an organized and sustained opposition, it probably doesn't much matter how fragile and susceptible to factional infighting the current conservative power structure is. and there is basically no infrastructure for creating such an opposition at the moment. shit's getting real scary!

[Lavabug]

Oh yeah the T admin also scrubbed the DOJ report showing the 6:1 ratio of right wing to left wing terrorist attacks from the web, so there's that.

One thing that makes me sleep somewhat easy at night is the utter incompetence of the FBI and intelligence agencies after having fired or driven out most of its established talent and replaced it with incompetent loyalty hires. Just look at the obvious fabrication of a text conversation between the shooter and his fellating lover. These folks don't know even basic principles of cybersecurity and are having to scramble to rehire the feds that were purged earlier this year, additionally over major concerns of being enticed by foreign superpowers.

If we're getting fascism, it'll be the dumbest and most incompetent form of it. Meaning the most vulnerable to sabotage and c0llapse from within.

I for one am almost exclusively seeking employment in euroland, so I can hopefully dodge the grapes of wrath years.

[jawn galliano]

i definitely agree re: the general level of competence of the security services, but what i'm not convinced on is whether or not that actually matters. the false consciousness machine is still working overtime to ensure everyone is monitored and fragmented. karl rove's dichotomy of history's imperial actors and the reality-based community that judiciously studies them is still alive and well. today's actors may be craven and profoundly stupid, but they have absolute power, total impunity, and zero countervailing force to contend with. which i think creates an enormous gay man's telescope of opportunity for actually-competent fascists to come in and consolidate power.

[Abzu]

i definitely agree re: the general level of competence of the security services, but what i'm not convinced on is whether or not that actually matters. the false consciousness machine is still working overtime to ensure everyone is monitored and fragmented. karl rove's dichotomy of history's imperial actors and the reality-based community that judiciously studies them is still alive and well. today's actors may be craven and profoundly stupid, but they have absolute power, total impunity, and zero countervailing force to contend with. which i think creates an enormous gay man's telescope of opportunity for actually-competent fascists to come in and consolidate power.

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[Abzu]

:ein words;

I dont log on often enough. Every time there is a new political post, you've already said what I came to say but better.