On which aspects do you evaluate art?

[Akkush]

Maybe it's a kind of deep topic, and of course art is "subjective," but I'm interested in how you define it.

Also, I have my own "system," and I'm interested in what you think about it and what the flaws are.

When I look at a painting, or listen to music, or watch a movie, the three aspects are:

TECHNIQUE: How much time does it take to master the technique or create the art piece?
AESTHETICS: Now this is subjective, but for me it's like the concept, the colors, the mood.
MEANING: Is there anything that it wants to tell, or teach, how much does it touches me emotionally?

These three can compensate for the overall value of what I see in painting/music/movie, whatever...

So a more simple painting with a very obvious and deep meaning is as good for me as a photorealistic portrait painting without anything to say.

But for me, most abstract art just doesn't work, because I can't believe it took 30 years to paint two squares on a blank canvas. It doesn't require a lot of effort; it doesn't pleases my eye, and whatever BS the artist
says, two square in itself can't have meaning.

What's your take on this?

As I said, this is a very subjective topic, so be nice to each other.

[User]

i do not have a system

[Ninny]

It should have space for ones own interpretation. It should challenge that what came before. One system for different art forms might not work. Abstract painting is really nice (you should re-evaluate). Abstract music or film not so much. Music can repeat what came before and it can still impress. Paintings of landscapes, we can stop making those. Technique or effort should not count too much. Except when it's sculpture or architecture. I know nothing

[Ninny]

But for me, most abstract art just doesn't work, because I can't believe it took 30 years to paint two squares on a blank canvas. It doesn't require a lot of effort; it doesn't pleases my eye, and whatever BS the artist
says, two square in itself can't have meaning.

I think it can take 30 years to get to that point where two squares have all the meaning. After all the artist also has the skills to make a detailed still life. There is more room for meaning when the image is abstract.

[jawn galliano]

yeah i don't have a real system either. i mostly just experience things and sit and think on stuff over time. i particularly love experiencing it with other people and discussing impressions, thoughts, associations, whatever.

and i don't mean to pick on you, but i would certainly echo ninny's sentiments re: abstract art. i think dismissing it as being of little worth or interest or lacking meaning because on a surface level it appears easy to do only serves to deprive yourself. its meaning may not be immediately obvious, but that's why we have context - historical, curatorial, whatever - to help communicate those things and aid our understanding. and that's true of all art, of course.

i dunno, it feels a bit like writing off black metal because it doesn't revolve around necrophagist-style wankery. technical mastery can be interesting and impressive, but if it's the only thing on display, it's artistry without art which feels very empty to me.

[deckard]

i didnt read this thread, just the title but its always about the way it makes me feel or imagine other things / situations

[Akkush]

yeah i don't have a real system either. i mostly just experience things and sit and think on stuff over time. i particularly love experiencing it with other people and discussing impressions, thoughts, associations, whatever.

and i don't mean to pick on you, but i would certainly echo ninny's sentiments re: abstract art. i think dismissing it as being of little worth or interest or lacking meaning because on a surface level it appears easy to do only serves to deprive yourself. its meaning may not be immediately obvious, but that's why we have context - historical, curatorial, whatever - to help communicate those things and aid our understanding. and that's true of all art, of course.

i dunno, it feels a bit like writing off black metal because it doesn't revolve around necrophagist-style wankery. technical mastery can be interesting and impressive, but if it's the only thing on display, it's artistry without art which feels very empty to me.

I tried to learn a bit about abstract art, but it didn't really convince me.
I also had a little argument with my coworker who is an abstract fan.
Both situations felt like "if you don't have a degree from art you are too dumb to understand it".
That could be true, but then I stick to stuff that are more 'simply" beautiful for me, like classical pieces.
But maybe I give it another try!

And if I need to choose, I would go for black metal then necrophagist-style wankery!

[Noyka]

I hate that stereotype of abstract art

I am a crafter now mostly do clay and paper crafts because it actually sells and is a fun small side business but i started as an acrylic painter and most if my art was considered abstract.

To me it was texture (i used thick bodies acrylic and often added texture paste or corn starch to get super thick paint) just like why I like clay now texture and the literal feel of the piece. I have some fine motor skill trouble due to my disability so realism and other styles just frustrated the hell out of me trying to do.

I dont really do any fine art anymore except as backgrounds to projects which again is texture which im all about it adds visual and tactile interest to pieces and folks appreciate that.

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Sounds to me you were talking to pretentious folks who are a bit up their own asshole honestly not everything is going to speak to everyone and that is fine doesnt mean you are dumb or dont get it

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I judge art in a few ways technique, historical relevance (including politics of that time), visual appeal, and personal meaning to me and to the artist if it is known.

[shadowalk]

art

[Akkush]

art

Now this is the main reason why I don't take contemporary art seriously.
I think the big part of the galleries are nothing more then money laundering places...

TECHNIQUE: 0
AESTHETICS: 0
MEANING: 0

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