ChatGPT plus and Dall E 3

Grudge · Post by **Grudge** » 20 Oct 2023, 09:40

Hey fellas I got a subscription for this and I'm already having this create artwork for me. It's great.

I was previously wondering how I would hang artwork in my house without it costing me a fortune but this is a super cheap solution, all I have to do is print whatever I want on a canvas.

It could cost a little more to get those high resolutions but it's off to a good start.

Grudge · Post by **Grudge** » 20 Oct 2023, 09:47

This is definitely going to put a lot of artists out of business, especially metal album cover designers.

Grudge · Post by **Grudge** » 20 Oct 2023, 09:48

Dude I need a place to upload these so we can all check each other's works out

Grudge · Post by **Grudge** » 20 Oct 2023, 09:56

This one

Grudge · Post by **Grudge** » 20 Oct 2023, 09:57

And this

Grudge · Post by **Grudge** » 20 Oct 2023, 11:10

Another one

User · Post by **User** » 20 Oct 2023, 13:03

Methuselah Honeysuckle · Post by **Methuselah Honeysuckle** » 20 Oct 2023, 17:13

I ain't chatting with no gpt

Verbal · Post by **Verbal** » 20 Oct 2023, 18:25

you should include the prompt you gave to generate the art

jawn galliano · Post by **jawn galliano** » 20 Oct 2023, 19:19

i hate this AI shit with my life

slugbait · Post by **slugbait** » 20 Oct 2023, 19:27

jawn galliano wrote: ↑
20 Oct 2023, 19:19
i hate this AI shit with my life

Grudge · Post by **Grudge** » 20 Oct 2023, 19:33

Verbal wrote: ↑
20 Oct 2023, 18:25
you should include the prompt you gave to generate the art

1. Make an art piece of a young g.irl in a frock, running towards a field with flowers in spring. Our perspective is that we see her from the back as she faces the field.
2. Make an art piece of a shotgun wielding hero riding a harley davidson through the fires of hell with demons all around
3. Make an impressionist painting. Include a feminine face. Use fewer colors.

Grudge · Post by **Grudge** » 20 Oct 2023, 19:34

jawn galliano wrote: ↑
20 Oct 2023, 19:19
i hate this AI shit with my life

You're holding on too tight jack. AI is the future.

jawn galliano · Post by **jawn galliano** » 20 Oct 2023, 20:13

yes, and the future is unbearably bleak and i don't much care to be a part of it

jawn galliano · Post by **jawn galliano** » 20 Oct 2023, 20:27

just unbelievable to me that there are so many dead-eyed psychopaths out there that are so incensed that art and artists haven't already been sufficiently marginalized and devalued. "let's throw tens of billions of dollars at completely obliterating one of the most fundamentally human endeavors, and in the most resource-intensive fashion possible. let's devote hundreds of thousands of our most talented and educated people towards replacing art with a bunch of tacky, derivative dreck, and we'll devote the world's dwindling energy resources toward running the system. these are all good and valuable things to do with our limited time on this earth"

i know i'm in a tiny minority of people that actually cares about any of this stuff, and that my opinion amounts to nothing and i am powerless to do anything about any of it. and that certainly doesn't make me happy. but it's the incurious enthusiasm with which great masses of people are signing on to this program that truly saddens me

Corpsepyre · Post by **Corpsepyre** » 20 Oct 2023, 20:34

I used Midjourney when it came out, experimented with it and made around 50 different artworks. Good shit. But then I read up more on it and what it was actually doing. Felt bad about all of it, and haven't used it since.

Thought Dall-E 2 was extremely weak sauce though.

Corpsepyre · Post by **Corpsepyre** » 20 Oct 2023, 20:49

Some of the art I generated. Cabby arsed remembering the prompts as it was a year back.

Grudge · Post by **Grudge** » 20 Oct 2023, 21:13

jawn galliano wrote: ↑
20 Oct 2023, 20:27
just unbelievable to me that there are so many dead-eyed psychopaths out there that are so incensed that art and artists haven't already been sufficiently marginalized and devalued. "let's throw tens of billions of dollars at completely obliterating one of the most fundamentally human endeavors, and in the most resource-intensive fashion possible. let's devote hundreds of thousands of our most talented and educated people towards replacing art with a bunch of tacky, derivative dreck, and we'll devote the world's dwindling energy resources toward running the system. these are all good and valuable things to do with our limited time on this earth"

i know i'm in a tiny minority of people that actually cares about any of this stuff, and that my opinion amounts to nothing and i am powerless to do anything about any of it. and that certainly doesn't make me happy. but it's the incurious enthusiasm with which great masses of people are signing on to this program that truly saddens me

Dude, you're telling one side of the story.

The side of the story you're not talking about is how art has tended to be the luxury of the rich. Who do you think has the money to buy original art work? Not the working man. This is a bourgeois field to begin with. Now this is becoming accessible to the majority population. I'll give you an example of myself. I was looking up paintings to hang up in my home. And you know what, anything that didn't look like absolute dog shit costs hundreds of dollars that I can't afford. With this I can. I can print what I want on a canvas and hang it up at a fraction of the cost.

The second piece is that some trades and crafts inevitably phase out. That's just the reality. No matter how hard a handicraftsman works in his personal workshop, he's not going to be able to keep up with machine manufacture. That's life.

Thirdly, if you're worried about creative expression being stifled, this is just finding creative new ways to do that. Use these tools to express yourself.

Grudge · Post by **Grudge** » 20 Oct 2023, 21:14

Corpsepyre's post above is just another example. This is great.

Z's bouncy tits · Post by **Z's bouncy tits** » 21 Oct 2023, 01:12

Rather get the brushes and canvas out personally.

slugbait · Post by **slugbait** » 21 Oct 2023, 02:13

It's crazy how little artists are valued. Use AI to replace CEO's instead.

Verbal · Post by **Verbal** » 21 Oct 2023, 02:17

Corpsepyre wrote: ↑
20 Oct 2023, 20:49
Some of the art I generated. Cabby arsed remembering the prompts as it was a year back.

some of these are cool

zim · Post by **zim** » 22 Oct 2023, 22:52

i am not against ai but it's definitely going to change things. i personally believe that eventually the lines will blur so much that we won't be able to tell what's human and what's ai.

i never expected it to impact art but it's coming for that too. most people simply won't care if an album cover or shitty episode of tv is created by an ai. it's also coming for music.

Corpsepyre · Post by **Corpsepyre** » 22 Oct 2023, 23:01

zim wrote: ↑
22 Oct 2023, 22:52
i am not against ai but it's definitely going to change things. i personally believe that eventually the lines will blur so much that we won't be able to tell what's human and what's ai.

i never expected it to impact art but it's coming for that too. most people simply won't care if an album cover or shitty episode of tv is created by an ai. it's also coming for music.

It's already becoming a big problem in gaming and films too. It's one of the core reasons why there are strikes going on in Hollywood.

You also get bombarded by badly produced AI articles on Google as well. Shit's bad.

zim · Post by **zim** » 22 Oct 2023, 23:05

oh i know. it's already everywhere. i think steam is rejecting games with an overuse of ai or something like that.

Noyka · Post by **Noyka** » 23 Oct 2023, 01:41

Can you guys hear me back in 2008?

Issue with ai isnt replacement of artists but copyright abusr in a field its already ab issue. Ai steals from artists who do not consent. Happens in crafting a lot with images and fonts too

Corpsepyre · Post by **Corpsepyre** » 23 Oct 2023, 01:52

Yeah, it's basically machine learning. Everything that's being churned out is plagiarized and worked on someone else's work. I was able to identify a couple comic-styles that someone posted a while ago, and it was obvious which artist was being copied.

It's cool if you want to hang art in your room, but you can also pay a good artist on Instagram to make something for you as well. You can find several people who don't charge a kidney.

Grudge · Post by **Grudge** » 23 Oct 2023, 03:06

Human knowledge and creative expression do not occur in a vacuum or come out of nowhere. We are inspired by things we see and hear that others have already done. We then produce an iteration on that that's slightly different.

The whole Spaghetti Western genre for example is just slight variations of a more profound work. I don't see people making a big deal out of that. Even Newton acknowledged his revolutionary work as being possible only because he stood on the shoulders of giants.

Nobody really comes up with something that is totally uninfluenced by some already existing thing. Your mannerisms, your genetics, your language, your way of thinking, what you choose to eat, none of this was completely original. You are yourself an iteration as an evolutionary organism.

If you don't find a problem with accepting this fact, why would you find a problem with AI being that and doing that?

If your problem with this is that this is concentrating wealth into the hands of some minority individuals, there is a clear way to deal with it, and that's to make it a public and regulated system, instead of private.

Noyka · Post by **Noyka** » 23 Oct 2023, 03:49

If you spend a few hours designing an image and see it on a shirt that you arent getting paid for how would you feel?

As someone who is part of the art community and has sold their work this is a problem. People already do not want to pay artists and crafters because its not a necessity. There are dozens of sites like temu, amazon, and wish that already steal designs and use them permission and copyright be damned. I wont lie and say its not tempting a good deal is a good deal anx everyone wants that.

You throw in ai which is known to take images and ideas without permission and its an even bigger issue.

Crafting we all piggy back off each other theres only so much you can do that folks will actually buy art does this too but its not a web crawler spewing it out at a rate humans cant compete with.

jawn galliano · Post by **jawn galliano** » 23 Oct 2023, 05:40

reinterpretation of previous works involves an understanding of its original context and crafting something from it that fits into another. there are sprawling networks of meaning and intention and history that go into it. that is categorically different to the literally mindless process of programatically stealing and recombining previous works based on a text prompt. if the value of art to you extends no further beyond the image or product that results at the end, and not the whole universe of human experience that goes into it and to which it can relate, i guess i just don't know what to tell you.

User · Post by **User** » 23 Oct 2023, 15:10

Corpsepyre · Post by **Corpsepyre** » 23 Oct 2023, 19:05

https://variety.com/2023/digital/news/o ... 235730939/

"OpenAI’s ChatGPT is the target of a major new lawsuit, alleging the company illegally copied the copyrighted works of authors to train the artificial-intelligence robot.

Led by the Authors Guild, a New York-based professional organization for published writers, a group of 17 writers, including George R.R. Martin, John Grisham, Jodi Picoult, George Saunders and Jonathan Franzen, joined the proposed class-action lawsuit against OpenAI."

Grudge · Post by **Grudge** » 23 Oct 2023, 19:30

I'm on board with these lawsuits. Where these organizations behind AI can be held accountable and reigned in, with compensation and penalties for plagiarism, they should be. This field does require regulation and management for sure.

jawn galliano · Post by **jawn galliano** » 23 Oct 2023, 19:39

it requires total liquidation and nobody involved in the ownership or production of this foul technology should be spared

Grudge · Post by **Grudge** » 23 Oct 2023, 19:49

I'm not on board with that Luddite view on technical innovation.

jawn galliano · Post by **jawn galliano** » 23 Oct 2023, 20:11

excellent, glad to hear it. i'm not on board with the patently absurd idea that all technical "innovation" is good and desirable. especially those innovations which consciously advance an explicitly anti-human agenda!

User · Post by **User** » 23 Oct 2023, 21:03

you should watch The Creator mark, you'll love it

Corpsepyre · Post by **Corpsepyre** » 23 Oct 2023, 21:53

Grudge wrote: ↑
23 Oct 2023, 19:49
I'm not on board with that Luddite view on technical innovation.

Grudge · Post by **Grudge** » 25 Oct 2023, 01:35

Hey why did you use that image? It contains computer generated graphics. That's taking away from artists who use their hands to paint with physical brushes and paints.

Verbal · Post by **Verbal** » 25 Oct 2023, 03:06

complaining about this is as futile as complaining about itunes making cds obsolete

Noyka · Post by **Noyka** » 25 Oct 2023, 04:03

It may be and im not against ai i can see a ton of uses for it even in the art and craft community, esp the type of designs i do in my own home.

Im just pro people getting compensated for their work and dont want to contribute to that struggle. Same reason i dobt shop on temu, wish, or shein and mostly just thrift lately.

User · Post by **User** » 25 Oct 2023, 08:58

ai is already making an already stupid world stupider, it's amazing

jawn galliano · Post by **jawn galliano** » 25 Oct 2023, 19:09

User wrote: ↑
25 Oct 2023, 08:58
ai is already making an already stupid world stupider, it's amazing

yes but that's good because it's innovative because innovation is always good and if you disagree you're a big mean luddite

Corpsepyre · Post by **Corpsepyre** » 25 Oct 2023, 20:54

Grudge wrote: ↑
25 Oct 2023, 01:35
Hey why did you use that image? It contains computer generated graphics. That's taking away from artists who use their hands to paint with physical brushes and paints.

Computer generated graphics AND practical effects made by actual people at Industrial Light & Magic (ILM), Stan Winston Studio, Fantasy II Film Effects, and 4-Ward Productions.

jawn galliano · Post by **jawn galliano** » 25 Oct 2023, 21:06

certainly i think there's plenty of room for critique around the over-use and dullness of a lot of CGI in film, but it's still a separate matter altogether

User · Post by **User** » 25 Oct 2023, 21:38

this whole ai shit makes me want to donate more to wikipedia

Corpsepyre · Post by **Corpsepyre** » 25 Oct 2023, 22:00

jawn galliano wrote: ↑
25 Oct 2023, 21:06

certainly i think there's plenty of room for critique around the over-use and dullness of a lot of CGI in film, but it's still a separate matter altogether

I agree. More of a practical effects gu y myself. But yeah, that's more to do with severely overworked artists and production companies and distributors being shoddy fuckers when it comes to CGI looking terrible, as it's been happening lately. Unionization's the only real answer there, and that's finally started to kick off.

User · Post by **User** » 26 Oct 2023, 00:13

i got things to say about unexpected puppets as related to my wedding

that sentence makes no sense, but it actually does make sense

Corpsepyre · Post by **Corpsepyre** » 31 Oct 2023, 19:19

https://www.pcgamer.com/us-president-jo ... ium=social

In a legislative attempt to stave off the inevitable demise of humanity at the hands of roaming hunter-killer robots, US President Joe Biden has issued an executive order establishing a new set of standards that will guide the development of AI. The order includes requirements to "develop standards, tools, and tests to help ensure that AI systems are safe, secure, and trustworthy," and to share relevant data about AI models with the US government.

jawn galliano · Post by **jawn galliano** » 31 Oct 2023, 19:52

"safe, secure and trustworthy" in this application do not mean what the average person would understand them to. this is in the broad 'national security' sense, which of course has nothing to do with the safety or security of individual people, but rather to protect the existing political order and the privileges and resource/profit claims of transnational western capital which it upholds.