Backdoor Healthcare

[Noyka]

Backdoor healthcare?

I heard today the US president has come up with a deal to pass universal healthcare through the backdoor. There is no voting, no debating, simply passing. Usually this method which bipasses congress is done with tax increases/decreases such as the Bush tax cuts but never with polarizing issues such as this.



I'm not upset with healthcare reform (though I don't think government is the way to go) I am upset with him rushing this without debate and without thought. I'm worried it's going to end up like medicare underfunded and complete shit leaving million worse off than before.



Thoughts on his method?

Universal healthcare?

[jawn galliano]

absolutely not going to happen, my thoughts are this is probably the paranoid ramblings of some delusional hard-line republican that watches too much glenn beck

[droidspawn]

the US President? you can't say his name now Liz



and they are debating it, congress has until October to come up with a plan

[Noyka]

The news broke this afternoon, from what I understand they just need majority vote not the normal 60 which is slightly less infuriating but still they didn't have a single conservative so this proposed plan is completely partison. We need to think long and hard about this issue not rush to it especially in these already economically unstable times.

[Noyka]

I'm not even sure debating until October is enough time if that's the case (which I hope it is)

[jawn galliano]

saying that they didn't have any conservative support isn't exactly a meaningful statement when there's probably all of about three of those between the house and the senate. social conservatives don't count

[Redd]

I think the Federal Reserve should be abolished.

[jawn galliano]

your radical oversimplification of economic policy is insightful and highly relevant to the topic at hand

[Redd]

There would be no economic crises and hence Obama's universal healthcare thing wouldn't be that big of a deal.

[FUKKET]

The title of this thread made me think it was going to be about looking after & cleaning one's anus

[Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm-Flailing Tube Man]

[quote name="FUKKET"]The title of this thread made me think it was going to be about looking after & cleaning one's anus [/quote]

that's not a bad description of what government involvement in the healthcare does

[jawn galliano]

[quote name="Redd"]There would be no economic crises and hence Obama's universal healthcare thing wouldn't be that big of a deal. [/quote]



ok, so what is this mythological perfect monetary system you're proposing here that will arise after the the fed is abolished? surely, you don't mean to suggest a return to the gold standard. what is the fundamental difference between the two that makes universal healthcare plausible under one system, but implausible under another?

[Abzu]

[quote name="FUKKET"]The title of this thread made me think it was going to be about looking after & cleaning one's anus [/quote]



I too was thinking rectal exam or colonoscopy.

[Mr. P]

If your tax percent gets raised by 1-2 % per employee would you or would you not want this to happen?

[Grudge]

I'll give you backdoor healthcare with my dick bitch!!!

[FUKKET]

that's the spirit :mmm:

[ANGEL OF DESEASE]

I thought that this thread talked about anal sex

[Charles Bronson]

[quote name="Redd"]I think the Federal Reserve should be abolished.[/quote]

Agreed.



However they are not the cause of the economic crisis.



Who ever thought forcing banks to give loans to people that couldn't afford them would lead to this? Thanks Bill Clinton .

[jawn galliano]

just what we need, more useful, relevant, and highly insightful radical oversimplifications! keep 'em rolling in, guys.

[Grudge]

i want these assholes to go beyond just one line explanations of the crisis.

[jawn galliano]

don't hold your breath -- for ~90% of the population, the only possible explanations are your choice of one of the following: clinton, bush, obama, or CEO's

[Grudge]

don't forget communism.

[jawn galliano]

which of course is interchangeable with socialism and fascism

[Lavabug]

[quote name="ManOfSteel"]i want these assholes to go beyond just one line explanations of the crisis.[/quote]

[jawn galliano]

[quote name="Famous Mortimer"]don't hold your breath -- for ~90% of the population, the only possible explanations are your choice of one of the following: clinton, bush, obama, or CEO's[/quote]
[quote name="ManOfSteel"]don't forget communism.[/quote]
[quote name="Famous Mortimer"]which of course is interchangeable with socialism and fascism[/quote]

[Noyka]

The crisis is a combo government, banks, federal reserve, and the consumer It's everyone's actions all combined.

[Verbal]

thought this would be a rhino thread

[Noyka]

Thanks for reminding us of our past cringe :::::::