dimensions and paralell universes

cat hallucination · Post by **cat hallucination** » 15 Oct 2009, 04:11

someone please explain these to me. i can't wrap my head around them. i don't know shit for math.

djonni greazo · Post by **djonni greazo** » 15 Oct 2009, 04:18

they're those things that are realer than reality

cat hallucination · Post by **cat hallucination** » 15 Oct 2009, 04:23

define reality

Noyka · Post by **Noyka** » 15 Oct 2009, 04:36

[youtube]9x49A6MbZOo[/youtube]

KARMABLADE · Post by **KARMABLADE** » 15 Oct 2009, 04:41

[quote name="i am the pink lizard"]they're those things that are realer than reality

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yeah when you are on mushrooms this reality is even more real for example, like now its regular tv and when on shrooms its HDtv.

cat hallucination · Post by **cat hallucination** » 15 Oct 2009, 04:41

i'm sorry

Devy · Post by **Devy** » 15 Oct 2009, 04:53

For every action, an alternate universe is formed. For example, there's now a universe where I didn't write this post. I mean obviously there isn't literally another universe, but then again there might be. There's a universe in existence now where I didn't feel the need to qualify my explaination with the previous sentence.

SCIENCE IS FUN!

cat hallucination · Post by **cat hallucination** » 15 Oct 2009, 05:05

yah, thats pretty crazy. i've heard about how this stuff kind of only exists in numbers ect...so its pretty hard to really picture and understand it. awesome stuff though. everytime i see a show on the discovery channel about this stuff, my eyes are glued.

cat hallucination · Post by **cat hallucination** » 15 Oct 2009, 05:22

[quote name="KARMABLADE"]
[quote name="i am the pink lizard"]they're those things that are realer than reality

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yeah when you are on mushrooms this reality is even more real for example, like now its regular tv and when on shrooms its HDtv.[/quote]

hdtv is no more real than regular tv. but, hdtv has more vivid perceptions.

KARMABLADE · Post by **KARMABLADE** » 15 Oct 2009, 05:26

[quote name="cat hallucination"]yah, thats pretty crazy. i've heard about how this stuff kind of only exists in numbers ect...so its pretty hard to really picture and understand it. awesome stuff though. everytime i see a show on the discovery channel about this stuff, my eyes are glued.[/quote]

according to some not only in numbers but in reality, through out of body experience you could experience them according to some scientists.

cat hallucination · Post by **cat hallucination** » 15 Oct 2009, 05:30

yah its some cool stuff. its hard keep grounded in reality when stuff like that might really exist.

cat hallucination · Post by **cat hallucination** » 15 Oct 2009, 05:35

i saw the white light once when i was stoned. also, the void. just brief glimpses, but they were unmistakeably what the mystics speak of. also, i think maybe i've done astral travelling in my dreams. and, the lovely sleep paralysis. terrifying, but now i understand it and i look forward to it, even though it is terrifying.

KARMABLADE · Post by **KARMABLADE** » 15 Oct 2009, 06:49

[quote name="cat hallucination"]i saw the white light once when i was stoned. also, the void. just brief glimpses, but they were unmistakeably what the mystics speak of. also, i think maybe i've done astral travelling in my dreams. and, the lovely sleep paralysis. terrifying, but now i understand it and i look forward to it, even though it is terrifying.[/quote]

i got my mom who has never smoked or drinked in her entire life to take mushrooms and she also saw the white light, she also saw an alien coming and looking here in the eye. Ive had sleep paralysis 5 times now, as terrifying every single time, i also heard loud vibrations, if i only could relax under it maybe i could have an out of body, if such a thing exists.

cat hallucination · Post by **cat hallucination** » 15 Oct 2009, 06:57

they unmistakeably exist in our experience, you know, subjectively. in that sense, there is no doubt that they exist. but, what they really are? scientific critics could be right, meaning they could just be dreams and/or our oxygen starved brain delivering a dream, or with sleep paralysis, being a defense mechanism, preventing us from moving during rem sleep, preventing us from rolling off a cliff while we are sleeping.

Lavabug · Post by **Lavabug** » 15 Oct 2009, 12:46

Is this the documentary you saw?

[youtube]ULlR_pkHjUQ[/youtube]

String/multiverse theory is interesting but there aren't a great deal of scientists that are willing to stand behind it as established science. Might change in the coming years with whatever they find at the LHC though.

cat hallucination · Post by **cat hallucination** » 15 Oct 2009, 12:52

yah i didn't watch the vid, but i have the book and have never taken the time to read the whole thing. i don't think i've seen that doc, but i have seen several episodes under the name "the universe". its all really hard for me to understand as i from what i've gathered, it only exists in mathematical theories, which are way above and beyond my understanding. i'm just hoping some one can explain it to me in simple and childish terms that i can actually picture in my imagination. time as the fourth dimension...(what it takes for you to observe one point travel to another point....right?) i can kind of understand this...but i want for someone to explain it in a simple romantic picture sort of way.

Lavabug · Post by **Lavabug** » 15 Oct 2009, 13:07

[quote name="cat hallucination"]yah i didn't watch the vid, but i have the book and have never taken the time to read the whole thing. i don't think i've seen that doc, but i have seen several episodes under the name "the universe". its all really hard for me to understand as i from what i've gathered, it only exists in mathematical theories, which are way above and beyond my understanding. i'm just hoping some one can explain it to me in simple and childish terms that i can actually picture in my imagination. time as the fourth dimension...(what it takes for you to observe one point travel to another point....right?) i can kind of understand this...but i want for someone to explain it in a simple romantic picture sort of way.[/quote]

That doc tries to explain the 11-dimensions of space and parallel universes. This one is good too:

[youtube]wLUGMWrd-AM[/youtube]

cat hallucination · Post by **cat hallucination** » 15 Oct 2009, 13:12

i'll watch it tommorrow, i'm too drunk and tired now, but hopefully it can fill in the gap of lack of understanding for me who knows nothing about math. thats what i'm hoping for. i want the perferct pretty-psuedo-picture explanation.

KARMABLADE · Post by **KARMABLADE** » 15 Oct 2009, 13:12

[quote name="cat hallucination"]they unmistakeably exist in our experience, you know, subjectively. in that sense, there is no doubt that they exist. but, what they really are? scientific critics could be right, meaning they could just be dreams and/or our oxygen starved brain delivering a dream, or with sleep paralysis, being a defense mechanism, preventing us from moving during rem sleep, preventing us from rolling off a cliff while we are sleeping.[/quote]

well even this reality that you experience now is subjective, all is in the mind and its all data. This reality is not the fundamental one.

cat hallucination · Post by **cat hallucination** » 15 Oct 2009, 13:29

yah, this reality (what i'm percieving not under the influence of drugs) isn't the "only" reality. with drugs, and even with what i've learned to explore (from drugs) also isn't the only reality. the sober reality is something different from those too. i totally embrace what i've learned from drugs, but i also understand that they just might not be real, that they just might be chemical reactions in my brain, and nothing else, meaning regular reality, like today and right now, might fall under the same category. meaning...whoo knows? the most distant reaches of our interperetation of reality might also be just chemical dreams, totally fake, but yet as real as the normal now? have you ever considered that?

KARMABLADE · Post by **KARMABLADE** » 15 Oct 2009, 15:07

[quote name="cat hallucination"]yah, this reality (what i'm percieving not under the influence of drugs) isn't the "only" reality. with drugs, and even with what i've learned to explore (from drugs) also isn't the only reality. the sober reality is something different from those too. i totally embrace what i've learned from drugs, but i also understand that they just might not be real, that they just might be chemical reactions in my brain, and nothing else, meaning regular reality, like today and right now, might fall under the same category. meaning...whoo knows? the most distant reaches of our interperetation of reality might also be just chemical dreams, totally fake, but yet as real as the normal now? have you ever considered that?[/quote]

yeah but that means if thats totally fake but yet as real as this reality then this reality is equally fake, this reality is also chemical reactions, its just data being interpreted in the mind so if we can tune ourselves and get other data then we experience another reality, like changing tv channel.

jawn galliano · Post by **jawn galliano** » 15 Oct 2009, 15:11

a whole lot of solipsism going on

cat hallucination · Post by **cat hallucination** » 15 Oct 2009, 15:13

yah thats totally true, but it might also still be fake, or be vulnerable to a logical response from science. i must ask this question, as i've concerned myself with it too, do you think its possible (yes or no i'm asking of you) that everything you believe might be a ridiculous fantasy?

ignore mortimer's post

Lavabug · Post by **Lavabug** » 15 Oct 2009, 15:21

Everybody shut the fuck up:

jawn galliano · Post by **jawn galliano** » 15 Oct 2009, 15:35

[quote name="cat hallucination"]ignore mortimer's post[/quote]

well if i am reading this correctly, and forgive me if i am making a mistake here because your writing is incredibly difficult to make sense of, you are essentially stating that reality is based on internal states of consciousness. that there are separate realities, accessible by altering states of consciousness. i am not sure how to interpret that as being anything but solipsistic.

zim · Post by **zim** » 15 Oct 2009, 15:43

[quote name="Lavabug"]Everybody shut the fuck up:

[/quote]

:spontaneously combusts:

cat hallucination · Post by **cat hallucination** » 15 Oct 2009, 15:54

yah, when i said ignore mortimer's post, it was intended at karmablade hoping that your post wouldn't interfere with my reponse to his post. but, yah solipsiticism. i'm gonna take a stab and say that its an important concept for you lately, maybe i'm wrong? i dunno, in the most desperate and ignorant of ways its a pretty viable concept. you know, if your life and you're existence ends when you die....then...all of existence is what you know. a famous philosopher, i can't think of the name once put it as, "we are all universes unto ourselves." then a grad school philosopher fellating lover of mine casually (as far as i heard) stated that he disagreed, and that we are simply the universe looking back on itself. which to me implies something more simple and less pseudo fantastical meaning that with every word we speak, like these ones now, we are just making sense of things about the present moment, (i suck and am too lazy about language...at this point i don't even know what the premise was for this your post, my post, and this thread.)

okay read back on it. seriously though, if you die and existence ends with it, in a way all that is known was based on your experience? it is kinda ridiculous, but i assume that based on your emphasis on solipsism, it must have been or is an issue for you, am a wrong or right just a little bit?

*lavabugs post interups*

cat hallucination · Post by **cat hallucination** » 15 Oct 2009, 15:57

[quote name="zim"]
[quote name="Lavabug"]Everybody shut the fuck up:

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:spontaneously combusts:[/quote]

seriously that shit to me is the most obscure and foreign of all languages and i have no hope for understanding it. this is where i feel i have no hope about understanding quantum physics, black holes, 11th demensions...please someone help. fucking decipher that shit

djonni greazo · Post by **djonni greazo** » 15 Oct 2009, 17:31

[quote name="Lavabug"]Everybody shut the fuck up:

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what is this? doesn't really look elegant.. is it some quantum crap?

cat hallucination · Post by **cat hallucination** » 15 Oct 2009, 17:34

yah its psduedo-elegant.

*edit* if only this joke were original.

Lavabug · Post by **Lavabug** » 15 Oct 2009, 18:21

I don't have a fucking clue what 99% of that is. It's the standard model of particle physics with no explicit Higgs(boson responsible for gravity, still hypothetical). It's an attempt to unify the fundamental bits of matter(smaller than protons/neutrons and electrons) with the "force carriers" called bosons for 3 of the 4 main forces in nature(electromagnetism, weak and strong nuclear forces):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_model

It's the closest to a "theory of everything"(though very incomplete) that we have so far that isn't really wishful thinking like string theory, because the standard model has agreed with experiments for about 30 years now. String theory is still untestable, and it might always be that way who knows. I've never seen what the equations for string theory are like but they are supposed to be more elegant than that. Still, just because it's aesthetically pleasing doesn't mean the theory is correct.

This set of short videos(15) featuring a physicist from CERN explains a lot:

[youtube]bw5TE5o7JtE[/youtube]

Part 5 starts talking about the standard model:

[youtube]yPWeJFs5xjc[/youtube]

KARMABLADE · Post by **KARMABLADE** » 16 Oct 2009, 03:08

[quote name="cat hallucination"]yah thats totally true, but it might also still be fake, or be vulnerable to a logical response from science. i must ask this question, as i've concerned myself with it too, do you think its possible (yes or no i'm asking of you) that everything you believe might be a ridiculous fantasy?

ignore mortimer's post[/quote]

i dont know man, right now im trying hemi sync soundwaves to try to get an out of body experience, ive experienced sleep paralysis many times so we ll see, im open for the idea that it might be real.

cat hallucination · Post by **cat hallucination** » 16 Oct 2009, 03:14

well the experience itself is obviously real, but what else it is? i recommend not getting too hopeful about it.

KARMABLADE · Post by **KARMABLADE** » 16 Oct 2009, 03:26

[quote name="cat hallucination"]well the experience itself is obviously real, but what else it is? i recommend not getting too hopeful about it.[/quote]

as i said, its all data, if thats not real then this reality isnt either.

cat hallucination · Post by **cat hallucination** » 16 Oct 2009, 03:28

true..then its only that real. and since i'm now proclaiming to be false, it is equally false.

Verbal · Post by **Verbal** » 16 Oct 2009, 03:29

I think reality is subjective. There are no absolute truth, and people should make progress. It's critical that we investigate the mysterious in order to confirm our predetermined answers. How else will we learn?

cat hallucination · Post by **cat hallucination** » 16 Oct 2009, 03:32

totally, one of the most important things about science is organization, communication, and honesty, and keeping us all on the same page. science is a beast of order.

jawn galliano · Post by **jawn galliano** » 16 Oct 2009, 03:34

everyone experiences sleep paralysis, because the somatic nervous system is effectively shut down during REM. you're just not usually aware of it because you're asleep.

Verbal · Post by **Verbal** » 16 Oct 2009, 03:36

We also need to know what results of experiments we want before we run the experiments. It's the most reliable way of knowing if the result is wrong.

I think making progress is fundamental to getting anywhere.

cat hallucination · Post by **cat hallucination** » 16 Oct 2009, 03:38

[quote name="Johnny"]

I think making progress is fundamental to getting anywhere.[/quote]

sigged.

jawn galliano · Post by **jawn galliano** » 16 Oct 2009, 03:40

[quote name="Johnny"]We also need to know what results of experiments we want before we run the experiments. It's the most reliable way of knowing if the result is wrong.

I think making progress is fundamental to getting anywhere.[/quote]

we've got a true man of modern science right here

jawn galliano · Post by **jawn galliano** » 16 Oct 2009, 03:40

our lord and master agrees

KARMABLADE · Post by **KARMABLADE** » 16 Oct 2009, 04:02

[quote name="Famous Mortimer"]everyone experiences sleep paralysis, because the somatic nervous system is effectively shut down during REM. you're just not usually aware of it because you're asleep.[/quote]

yes though they say that if are concious during sleep paralysis there is a chance you can get an out of body experience. Im trying to get it with hemi sync sounds.

cat hallucination · Post by **cat hallucination** » 16 Oct 2009, 04:05

thats awesome. good luck

KARMABLADE · Post by **KARMABLADE** » 16 Oct 2009, 04:08

[quote name="cat hallucination"]thats awesome. good luck[/quote]

thanks

Verbal · Post by **Verbal** » 16 Oct 2009, 04:10

You should try and have an out of body experience while playing at the gig. You can go and mingle in the crowd while you're still playing on stage. You'll be better able to judge your performance. You'll see yourself as Brock would.

FUKKET · Post by **FUKKET** » 16 Oct 2009, 04:21

I love this shizznit

KARMABLADE · Post by **KARMABLADE** » 16 Oct 2009, 07:29

[quote name="Johnny"]You should try and have an out of body experience while playing at the gig. You can go and mingle in the crowd while you're still playing on stage. You'll be better able to judge your performance. You'll see yourself as Brock would.[/quote]

hahah but seriously dont dismiss the idea of an out of body experience before really giving it a try(using hemi sync sounds)

Charles Bronson · Post by **Charles Bronson** » 16 Oct 2009, 09:39

Go watch some Stephen Hawkins videos on youtube. Really interesting stuff.

As for out of body experiences, I don't think they exist.

cat hallucination · Post by **cat hallucination** » 16 Oct 2009, 09:40

shyaaahhhh! but i still don't feel like i can wrap my head around a lot of this stuff. sure i can think of what a cool idea it is, but i just don't really understand it. i want someone to tell me in a very sweet, simple, and childish way about it.