Why even bother believing in God?

zim · Post by **zim** » 12 Oct 2009, 16:03

Can people not accept the fact that we are here without any explanation? Do people need something to guide them because they can't guide themselves? A fear of death and no after-life?

TamPron · Post by **TamPron** » 12 Oct 2009, 16:11

everyone needs something...and sometimes belief in God can help someone get through a hard time, or help them become a better person

Do other people's beliefs really bother you that much? Why do you care what other people believe in?

zim · Post by **zim** » 12 Oct 2009, 16:13

It's not that I care, I'm just curious why some people do believe in it.

TamPron · Post by **TamPron** » 12 Oct 2009, 16:23

Either because they were raised to, or they are using it as a way to help better themselves, it gives some people hope, and in few cases it allows some to feel better about themselves so they have something to lord over others. The latter being quite unfortunate.

I believe in a creator, but I don't subscribe to any particular belief, and not for any particular reason, I just do.

shadowalk · Post by **shadowalk** » 12 Oct 2009, 16:38

Why even bother arguing over the existence of such beings in the first place? If you really don't believe in it, the whole idea itself shouldn't really bother you.

Holocaust · Post by **Holocaust** » 12 Oct 2009, 16:41

There's nothing wrong with trying to make sense of things. Some people are just clueless.

zim · Post by **zim** » 12 Oct 2009, 16:57

just interested in different response, that's all.

Lavabug · Post by **Lavabug** » 12 Oct 2009, 18:35

For some people any answer is better than no answer. I'd rather have no answer than one that is evidently made up.

Reasons: comfort, security, fear of death, etc. I'm fine with that. In most cases it seems to be because it's hammered into you in childhood before you learn about anything else.

captain twat. IV. · Post by **captain twat. IV.** » 13 Oct 2009, 09:39

[quote name="zim"]It's not that I care, [/quote]

Bullshit.Why would you make this thread if you didn't care?Let people achieve their desired "happyness" the way they need to.Taking advantage of religion is completely different from believing in something much greater.This is where the problem lies.

Mesarthim · Post by **Mesarthim** » 13 Oct 2009, 09:44

i don't care what other people believe. what I do however have a problem with is how people try to push their beliefs onto others.

cat hallucination · Post by **cat hallucination** » 13 Oct 2009, 09:56

i dunno, i didn't read any of the posts in this thread. but, i know that my grandparents nourished one of the most good, healthy and beautiful households i've ever experienced while they practiced the worldwide church of god, which is now known as a cult. if everyone in the world was a member of the said, there would be no conflict, but unfortunately, many people are at the worst, atheists.

shadowalk · Post by **shadowalk** » 13 Oct 2009, 12:49

[quote name="Lumbergh"]i don't care what other people believe. what I do however have a problem with is how people try to push their beliefs onto others.[/quote]

Lummo has it.

Lavabug · Post by **Lavabug** » 13 Oct 2009, 12:53

[quote name="cat hallucination"]i dunno, i didn't read any of the posts in this thread. but, i know that my grandparents nourished one of the most good, healthy and beautiful households i've ever experienced while they practiced the worldwide church of god, which is now known as a cult. if everyone in the world was a member of the said, there would be no conflict, but unfortunately, many people are at the worst, atheists.[/quote]

Atheists are responsible for conflict in the world? Am I a bad person?

TamPron · Post by **TamPron** » 13 Oct 2009, 15:53

[quote name="shadowalk"]
[quote name="Lumbergh"]i don't care what other people believe. what I do however have a problem with is how people try to push their beliefs onto others.[/quote]

Lummo has it.[/quote]

Haunty · Post by **Haunty** » 13 Oct 2009, 15:54

[quote name="TAM TAM"]
[quote name="shadowalk"]
[quote name="Lumbergh"]i don't care what other people believe. what I do however have a problem with is how people try to push their beliefs onto others.[/quote]

Lummo has it.[/quote]

[/quote]

Abzu · Post by **Abzu** » 13 Oct 2009, 20:32

While Lummo said it right, I want to say that requiring or needing a belief in something mythical to get by is a fucking weakness.

Mesarthim · Post by **Mesarthim** » 13 Oct 2009, 20:37

[quote name="abzu"]While Lummo said it right, I want to say that requiring or needing a belief in something mythical to get by is a fucking weakness.[/quote]

I also agree with this.

zim · Post by **zim** » 13 Oct 2009, 23:22

[quote name="Lumbergh"]
[quote name="abzu"]While Lummo said it right, I want to say that requiring or needing a belief in something mythical to get by is a fucking weakness.[/quote]

I also agree with this.[/quote]

shadowalk · Post by **shadowalk** » 13 Oct 2009, 23:37

[quote name="zim"]
[quote name="Lumbergh"]
[quote name="abzu"]While Lummo said it right, I want to say that requiring or needing a belief in something mythical to get by is a fucking weakness.[/quote]

I also agree with this.[/quote][/quote]

Haunty · Post by **Haunty** » 14 Oct 2009, 00:07

[quote name="shadowalk"]
[quote name="zim"]
[quote name="Lumbergh"]
[quote name="abzu"]While Lummo said it right, I want to say that requiring or needing a belief in something mythical to get by is a fucking weakness.[/quote]

I also agree with this.[/quote][/quote][/quote]

Verbal · Post by **Verbal** » 14 Oct 2009, 00:44

Couldn't you say the same about painkillers?

Lavabug · Post by **Lavabug** » 14 Oct 2009, 00:50

[quote name="Johnny"]Couldn't you say the same about painkillers?[/quote]

I was going to make a post making an analogy to painkillers, beat me to it. Some people can't cope with life without superstition and miracles, sadly.

Abzu · Post by **Abzu** » 14 Oct 2009, 02:13

The analogy can be made, certainly.

However, I don't keep popping pain killers after the situation causing the level of discomfort it requires for me to take them has passed. Religious people tend to still believe after whatever they used religion to help them through has passed. They are kind of like people who do get addicted to pain meds after having had them.

Verbal · Post by **Verbal** » 14 Oct 2009, 02:16

Pretty sure that generalisation may be based on, well, not much.

Possible I suppose.

Lavabug · Post by **Lavabug** » 14 Oct 2009, 02:17

I thought this was relevant to the thread:

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FUKKET · Post by **FUKKET** » 14 Oct 2009, 04:10

[quote name="Lavabug"]I thought this was relevant to the thread:

[youtube]Na-KzVwu6es[/youtube][/quote]

the dude that Mr Garrison get banged by, like a m0nkey?

cat hallucination · Post by **cat hallucination** » 14 Oct 2009, 07:52

[quote name="Lavabug"]
[quote name="dog hallucination"]i dunno, i didn't read any of the posts in this thread. but, i know that my grandparents nourished one of the most good, healthy and beautiful households i've ever experienced while they practiced the worldwide church of god, which is now known as a cult. if everyone in the world was a member of the said, there would be no conflict, but unfortunately, many people are at the worst, atheists.[/quote]

Atheists are responsible for conflict in the world? Am I a bad person?[/quote]

thats how it plays out. its a fine example of how multiculturalism does harm. i think it says something about "truth" too. one invests their purpose in christianity. another invests their purpose in atheism. they are now enemies. in a way, the christians are objectively superior since they stand for the almighty.

its like this...."morbid angel - nothing is not" - how can you defeat that which finds nourishment in your attack? so, why bother arguing for atheism?

Abzu · Post by **Abzu** » 14 Oct 2009, 07:59

:fail:

cat hallucination · Post by **cat hallucination** » 14 Oct 2009, 08:09

thats kinda my point. i'm not against atheism, but it can create bad feelings. is it a good thing to risk breaking the heart of a good christian's faith to serve your atheistic agenda? why even bother?

Haunty · Post by **Haunty** » 14 Oct 2009, 15:12

Very few people go and bother the quiet Christians; they're minding their own business, so nobody cares.

However, Christians tend to be less quiet when then get into larger groups (ie church). They accused the scientific community of trying to subvert traditional values simply because modern scientific knowledge doesn't sync up with ancient theological teachings. You've seen how some of the less informed Christians react when you start talking about such basic principles as evolution, etc. They get into congregations and start rattling on about this and that, and how the extremist leftist agenda is trying to wipe out Christianity, and then they go out and form interest groups that try to put a stop to teaching actual scientific facts.

Even though it's not the individuals that are responsible for this, the fundamental fact remains true of both sides: human beings tend to associate individuals with the actions of a group they are a part of. No single Christian represents all the things the collective is doing, but it's damn near impossible to think that way, isn't it?

Verbal · Post by **Verbal** » 14 Oct 2009, 15:23

Calling Atheism a "religion" or a "belief system" or something is just ignorant.

Would you consider not collecting stamps to be a hobby?

Lavabug · Post by **Lavabug** » 14 Oct 2009, 17:33

I don't recall the last time a fundamentalist atheist that detonated himself in a bus or a flea market, murdered his daughter for not honoring the faith by marrying whoever the hell she wanted, or carried out forced conversions, inquisitions, and purgings against non-atheists.

[quote name="cat hallucination"]thats kinda my point. i'm not against atheism, but it can create bad feelings. [/quote]

So does religion, more so in fact. Lacking faith doesn't prescribe cruelty and discrimination, unlike so many religions that do so explicitly(especially towards those of different faiths/none).

Sorry but what you're trying to say is quite dumb and reeks of self-righteousness.

cat hallucination · Post by **cat hallucination** » 15 Oct 2009, 00:29

[quote name="Lavabug"]Lacking faith doesn't prescribe cruelty and discrimination, unlike so many religions that do so explicitly(especially towards those of different faiths/none).[/quote]

your sig does.

[quote name="Johnny"]Calling Atheism a "religion" or a "belief system" or something is just ignorant.

Would you consider not collecting stamps to be a hobby?[/quote]

would you consider annihilating religion a hobby of yours?

i'm not accusing anyone, and i don't even stand for what i'm saying. its just an observation on how relationships, families, belief systems, bla bla bla bla, the whole scadoodle can be hurt by someone stepping out of line and being atheist. when opposed to religion, atheism has the effect of being a positive (as in the symptom...like not collecting stamps being a hobby) belief system.

how i really feel though is that religion is a tragic fucking delusion. and the worst of it all is believing in an afterlife, which in my opinion prevents one from truly facing mortality.

Verbal · Post by **Verbal** » 15 Oct 2009, 00:31

I realise I spoke on this issue as much as anyone over the last few days. But man am I fucking sick of all this religious talk.

It's just bullhit. Can't we just leave it at that?

cat hallucination · Post by **cat hallucination** » 15 Oct 2009, 00:43

no, i think religious talk is good. especially concerning the truly facing mortality bit.

Abzu · Post by **Abzu** » 15 Oct 2009, 02:14

[quote name="HbW"]Very few people go and bother the quiet Christians; they're minding their own business, so nobody cares.

However, Christians tend to be less quiet when then get into larger groups (ie church). They accused the scientific community of trying to subvert traditional values simply because modern scientific knowledge doesn't sync up with ancient theological teachings. You've seen how some of the less informed Christians react when you start talking about such basic principles as evolution, etc. They get into congregations and start rattling on about this and that, and how the extremist leftist agenda is trying to wipe out Christianity, and then they go out and form interest groups that try to put a stop to teaching actual scientific facts.

Even though it's not the individuals that are responsible for this, the fundamental fact remains true of both sides: human beings tend to associate individuals with the actions of a group they are a part of. No single Christian represents all the things the collective is doing, but it's damn near impossible to think that way, isn't it?[/quote]

[quote name="Johnny"]Calling Atheism a "religion" or a "belief system" or something is just ignorant.

Would you consider not collecting stamps to be a hobby?[/quote]

[quote name="Lavabug"]I don't recall the last time a fundamentalist atheist that detonated himself in a bus or a flea market, murdered his daughter for not honoring the faith by marrying whoever the hell she wanted, or carried out forced conversions, inquisitions, and purgings against non-atheists.

[quote name="dog hallucination"]thats kinda my point. i'm not against atheism, but it can create bad feelings. [/quote]

So does religion, more so in fact. Lacking faith doesn't prescribe cruelty and discrimination, unlike so many religions that do so explicitly(especially towards those of different faiths/none).

Sorry but what you're trying to say is quite dumb and reeks of self-righteousness.[/quote]

All of these things.

zim · Post by **zim** » 15 Oct 2009, 02:16

Verbal · Post by **Verbal** » 15 Oct 2009, 02:19

GROUP HUG!

zim · Post by **zim** » 15 Oct 2009, 02:22

[quote name="Johnny"]GROUP HUG![/quote]

cat hallucination · Post by **cat hallucination** » 15 Oct 2009, 02:23

[quote name="zim"]
[quote name="Johnny"]GROUP HUG![/quote][/quote]

Verbal · Post by **Verbal** » 15 Oct 2009, 02:24

NO NOT YOU.

cat hallucination · Post by **cat hallucination** » 15 Oct 2009, 05:08

hey lavabug i'm sorry i called you out like that. its just i know how it feels to be the pseudo idiot so i took an easy stab.