One World Government

Abzu · Post by **Abzu** » 01 Oct 2009, 00:26

This is not intended as flamebait (even though I know full well a certain wacko will be shitting up this thread until it is locked)

What would you all feel about a single worldwide democratic republic government under a constitution similar to the US's wherein nations act as states do now in the US and with a single, tangible currency?

Teignub · Post by **Teignub** » 01 Oct 2009, 00:29

this is a terrible idea, but it is the only way we will join the Galactic Federation

Abzu · Post by **Abzu** » 01 Oct 2009, 00:31

Why do you feel it would be terrible? I think it would solve a lot of problems.

baron von blondle · Post by **baron von blondle** » 01 Oct 2009, 00:33

erosion of cultural identity, loss of identity, macdonalds republic.

i would fight against this idea with my very heart, soul and as much high explosive as I could procure.

Teignub · Post by **Teignub** » 01 Oct 2009, 00:40

what he said.

Teignub · Post by **Teignub** » 01 Oct 2009, 00:41

[quote name="abzu"]Why do you feel it would be terrible? I think it would solve a lot of problems.[/quote]

i agree that it would solve a lot of problems, but it would cause just as many.

Abzu · Post by **Abzu** » 01 Oct 2009, 00:42

I agree about erosion of cultural identity. This would be a horrible potential effect of a single world government. However, aren't we already experiencing this to a horrible degree?

Teignub · Post by **Teignub** » 01 Oct 2009, 00:43

the only way i could see this as a good thing is if there were actually a benevolent ruler (which isnt possible) and she/he abolished centralized government and all power went to localized community based governments.

Abzu · Post by **Abzu** » 01 Oct 2009, 00:45

I'll go one further and say that it would have to not have a single ruler at all. It would have to be a congress with no president.

Abzu · Post by **Abzu** » 01 Oct 2009, 00:46

What do you think about a world constitution with basic rights, but leaving the no-no's and laws up to the individual nations?

Teignub · Post by **Teignub** » 01 Oct 2009, 00:46

[quote name="abzu"]I agree about erosion of cultural identity. This would be a horrible potential effect of a single world government. However, aren't we already experiencing this to a horrible degree?[/quote]

yes we are experiencing this but i wouldnt say it is to a horrible degree. There are plenty of cultural revitalization organizations that are doing a lot of good and people will fight to keep their cultures alive. I just dont see this happening with a OWG. I dont know i just cant see a centralized government with power over the entire planet being good for anybody except those in power.

Teignub · Post by **Teignub** » 01 Oct 2009, 00:47

[quote name="abzu"]What do you think about a world constitution with basic rights, but leaving the no-no's and laws up to the individual nations?[/quote]

i mean thats how it kinda is now right? with the UN and what not supposedly protecting the rights of everyone?

Teignub · Post by **Teignub** » 01 Oct 2009, 00:48

[quote name="abzu"]I'll go one further and say that it would have to not have a single ruler at all. It would have to be a congress with no president.[/quote]

thats still a too little amount of people controlling too big of a population

Abzu · Post by **Abzu** » 01 Oct 2009, 00:50

[quote name="Teignub"]
[quote name="abzu"]What do you think about a world constitution with basic rights, but leaving the no-no's and laws up to the individual nations?[/quote]

i mean thats how it kinda is now right? with the UN and what not supposedly protecting the rights of everyone?[/quote]

"Supposedly" being the key word. Perhaps I am uninformed, but aren't the UN pretty ineffectual?

Teignub · Post by **Teignub** » 01 Oct 2009, 00:51

thats my point though. there already is a world constitution or at least a world wide list of basic rights, but it doesnt do anything

Abzu · Post by **Abzu** » 01 Oct 2009, 01:03

Yeah, it might be a pointless notion.

Mr. P · Post by **Mr. P** » 01 Oct 2009, 01:07

If we would have only one goverment would we also haev only one terrorist organization?

Teignub · Post by **Teignub** » 01 Oct 2009, 01:08

Abzu · Post by **Abzu** » 01 Oct 2009, 01:13

shadowalk · Post by **shadowalk** » 01 Oct 2009, 01:51

KARMABLADE · Post by **KARMABLADE** » 01 Oct 2009, 01:59

thats what the elite are working for, a 1 world government and all of us as controlled watched slaves, its in progress. First the unions like EU, AE and others and then put them all together.

Noyka · Post by **Noyka** » 01 Oct 2009, 02:32

[quote name="abzu"]I agree about erosion of cultural identity. This would be a horrible potential effect of a single world government. However, aren't we already experiencing this to a horrible degree?[/quote]

Europe is, because of immigration. America is experiencing this too. It's because those in power believe that we should cater to those who come to us instead of them learning to be like us. We lose our culture and they gain nothing. Look at the Muslims in France and Britain, if they had been assimilated and treated like people instead of parasites or worse yet victims they wouldn't be as angry as they currently are. In Germany there have been cases of Shiriah law being practiced in court because again, the mind set is to bend to the new comers instead of holding strong and being proud of our people. A world government would do this to a much greater degree.

Redd · Post by **Redd** » 01 Oct 2009, 02:34

Germany started acting like pussies when that Austrian killed himself.

KARMABLADE · Post by **KARMABLADE** » 01 Oct 2009, 03:22

[quote name="Noyka"]
[quote name="abzu"]I agree about erosion of cultural identity. This would be a horrible potential effect of a single world government. However, aren't we already experiencing this to a horrible degree?[/quote]

Europe is, because of immigration. America is experiencing this too. It's because those in power believe that we should cater to those who come to us instead of them learning to be like us. We lose our culture and they gain nothing. Look at the Muslims in France and Britain, if they had been assimilated and treated like people instead of parasites or worse yet victims they wouldn't be as angry as they currently are. In Germany there have been cases of Shiriah law being practiced in court because again, the mind set is to bend to the new comers instead of holding strong and being proud of our people. A world government would do this to a much greater degree.[/quote]

there will be a world government in the end, also organized religion needs to get wiped out.

Teignub · Post by **Teignub** » 01 Oct 2009, 05:20

[quote name="Noyka"]
[quote name="abzu"]I agree about erosion of cultural identity. This would be a horrible potential effect of a single world government. However, aren't we already experiencing this to a horrible degree?[/quote]

Europe is, because of immigration. America is experiencing this too. It's because those in power believe that we should cater to those who come to us instead of them learning to be like us. We lose our culture and they gain nothing. Look at the Muslims in France and Britain, if they had been assimilated and treated like people instead of parasites or worse yet victims they wouldn't be as angry as they currently are. In Germany there have been cases of Shiriah law being practiced in court because again, the mind set is to bend to the new comers instead of holding strong and being proud of our people. A world government would do this to a much greater degree.[/quote]

ya ok assimilation is a good thing. I dont think so.

Noyka · Post by **Noyka** » 01 Oct 2009, 05:34

[quote name="Teignub"]
[quote name="Noyka"]
[quote name="abzu"]I agree about erosion of cultural identity. This would be a horrible potential effect of a single world government. However, aren't we already experiencing this to a horrible degree?[/quote]

Europe is, because of immigration. America is experiencing this too. It's because those in power believe that we should cater to those who come to us instead of them learning to be like us. We lose our culture and they gain nothing. Look at the Muslims in France and Britain, if they had been assimilated and treated like people instead of parasites or worse yet victims they wouldn't be as angry as they currently are. In Germany there have been cases of Shiriah law being practiced in court because again, the mind set is to bend to the new comers instead of holding strong and being proud of our people. A world government would do this to a much greater degree.[/quote]

ya ok assimilation is a good thing. I dont think so.[/quote]

Incorporation would be a better word, destroying your culture for a few isn't a good thing.

Learning from other cultures is good, but losing your own not so much.

Teignub · Post by **Teignub** » 01 Oct 2009, 05:42

and exactly what culture is America losing?

Noyka · Post by **Noyka** » 01 Oct 2009, 05:47

[quote name="Teignub"]and exactly what culture is America losing?[/quote]

American people have a fighting spirit that's unlike any other nation, we can't lose that.

There are already calls for amnesty for 30 million illegal aliens, that will affect us in a big way. Also there have been calls by extremists to allow shiriah law in American courts. I don't think anybody wants that. I'm pro peacful Islam but as most sane people understand shiriah law and muslim extremism is one of the largest threats facing us today. It's as big of a threat to our society as racism which has become a tool used by those in power to enslave us.

Teignub · Post by **Teignub** » 01 Oct 2009, 05:52

Yes a fighting spirit that enacted a 300 year physical and paper genocide against the native peoples of this land. thats a fantastic culture

and the muslim law in the courts will never happen.

Noyka · Post by **Noyka** » 01 Oct 2009, 05:58

Have you ever tried you know not calling people murderers?

Genocide happens all over the world, try being an activist for something that's still occuring or for Native American healthcare which is attrocious.

Noyka · Post by **Noyka** » 01 Oct 2009, 05:59

[quote name="Teignub"]Yes a fighting spirit that enacted a 300 year physical and paper genocide against the native peoples of this land. thats a fantastic culture

and the muslim law in the courts will never happen.[/quote]

I bet Europe was saying that about 5 years ago it's happening there it's a possibility to happen here, I'm being a realist on this one.

Teignub · Post by **Teignub** » 01 Oct 2009, 06:03

[quote name="Noyka"]Have you ever tried you know not calling people murderers?

Genocide happens all over the world, try being an activist for something that's still occuring or for Native American helathcare which is attrocious.[/quote]

yes because you are so well aware of the activist work that i do. fuck off

Noyka · Post by **Noyka** » 01 Oct 2009, 06:08

[quote name="Teignub"]
[quote name="Noyka"]Have you ever tried you know not calling people murderers?

Genocide happens all over the world, try being an activist for something that's still occuring or for Native American helathcare which is attrocious.[/quote]

yes because you are so well aware of the activist work that i do. i love you and i humbly regret any ill feeling between us[/quote]

What activism are you involved in?

Hugo. · Post by **Hugo.** » 01 Oct 2009, 06:40

Europe is on it's way to massive consolidation with the Lisbon Treaty going on at the minute. All member states of the EU had their decision in favour or against this ambiguous and complicated treaty made for them, except for Ireland which held a referendum to decide. We voted No, incidently ,but that didnt seem to matter as here we are just months down the line having to vote on the same thing again. I feel a yes result is inevitable this time round.

The Lisbon Treaty aims to centralise Europe incorpating (amongst a million tiny tweeks to the system) what is in effect a Europen President. He or she wont have power over any given state per say, but will still operate as a major central player in the European Parliament, which incidently was proposed originally to have less commissioners. Instead of one per country, it would have been be one for every 5 or so i'm not sure. It's complicated as fuck, but I think overall it makes for a more efficient EU with provision for further expansion.

Ireland's NO vote caused a few significant changes to be made and what we are currently voting for is an amended treaty with with the old 'commissioner per member state' policy still intact. Lets see how long that lasts.

NWO, dude

Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm-Flailing Tube Man · 01 Oct 2009, 07:55

See, this is why conspiracy theories are fail. Even if we assume that the NWO is true (it may be), it still evades the very real, very obvious horrors of what governments are already guilty of.

Now that said, I consider myself a world citizen. I hope the human race can evolve to a cosmopolitan state where people can't excuse immoral acts on the basis of "culture", nor can they allow arbitrary boundaries to set them apart. So to some extent I oppose a prevailing "one world" mindset, but "government" simply means the propping up of a hopelessly violent entity that will do anything to protect itself. That will always remain the same whether the state in question only covers 3 square miles, or the entire earth.

Charles Bronson · Post by **Charles Bronson** » 01 Oct 2009, 08:24

[quote name="baron von blondle"]erosion of cultural identity, loss of identity, macdonalds republic.

i would fight against this idea with my very heart, soul and as much high explosive as I could procure.[/quote]

I agree, but this has already happened with multiculturalism.

Look, as Americans we have no identity. We have to look at our ancestral past to find some sort of identity and being.

captain twat. IV. · Post by **captain twat. IV.** » 01 Oct 2009, 10:04

[quote name="Chaohinon"]See, this is why conspiracy theories are fail. Even if we assume that the NWO is true (it may be)[/quote]

Do you think every politician who calls for a new world order is just doing it for amusment?

Abzu · Post by **Abzu** » 01 Oct 2009, 19:09

[quote name="Teignub"]Yes a fighting spirit that enacted a 300 year physical and paper genocide against the native peoples of this land. thats a fantastic culture

and the muslim law in the courts will never happen.[/quote]

What nation didnt kill for their land?

Abzu · Post by **Abzu** » 01 Oct 2009, 19:13

[quote name="Uber Grim Kvlt"]
[quote name="baron von blondle"]erosion of cultural identity, loss of identity, macdonalds republic.

i would fight against this idea with my very heart, soul and as much high explosive as I could procure.[/quote]

I agree, but this has already happened with multiculturalism.

Look, as Americans we have no identity. We have to look at our ancestral past to find some sort of identity and being.[/quote]

This is one point wherein I agree with you, Teggy. I will add that some of us look to our states for that as well (this is big with states like Vermont, Texas, and some southerners)

Lavabug · Post by **Lavabug** » 01 Oct 2009, 21:15

[quote name="Noyka"]
[quote name="Teignub"]Yes a fighting spirit that enacted a 300 year physical and paper genocide against the native peoples of this land. thats a fantastic culture

and the muslim law in the courts will never happen.[/quote]

I bet Europe was saying that about 5 years ago it's happening there it's a possibility to happen here, I'm being a realist on this one.[/quote]

For that to happen in America, secularism and general(excessive) open-mindedness would have to be the norm, but the norm in America is Christian fundamentalism and ignorance/bigotry(no offense), so you can rest easy because the US is impervious to influence from any foreign religions or cultures.

Charles Bronson · Post by **Charles Bronson** » 01 Oct 2009, 22:44

[quote name="abzu"]
[quote name="Uber Grim Kvlt"]
[quote name="baron von blondle"]erosion of cultural identity, loss of identity, macdonalds republic.

i would fight against this idea with my very heart, soul and as much high explosive as I could procure.[/quote]

I agree, but this has already happened with multiculturalism.

Look, as Americans we have no identity. We have to look at our ancestral past to find some sort of identity and being.[/quote]

This is one point wherein I agree with you, Teggy. I will add that some of us look to our states for that as well (this is big with states like Vermont, Texas, and some southerners)[/quote]

Teggy?

Teignub · Post by **Teignub** » 02 Oct 2009, 03:38

[quote name="Noyka"]
[quote name="Teignub"]
[quote name="Noyka"]Have you ever tried you know not calling people murderers?

Genocide happens all over the world, try being an activist for something that's still occuring or for Native American helathcare which is attrocious.[/quote]

yes because you are so well aware of the activist work that i do. i love you and i humbly regret any ill feeling between us[/quote]

What activism are you involved in?[/quote]

i am involved with a group of folks that are doing ethnographic recording work for native language recovery and cultural revitalization. I am also involved in an indigenous grassroots non profit organization that works with many native communities for a variety of reasons, including, yes, Native American health related issues. i am also involved in senior rights in SF because they suck hella bad here. Thats all i care to explain.

Charles Bronson · Post by **Charles Bronson** » 02 Oct 2009, 03:43

[quote name="Teignub"]
[quote name="Noyka"]
[quote name="Teignub"]
[quote name="Noyka"]Have you ever tried you know not calling people murderers?

Genocide happens all over the world, try being an activist for something that's still occuring or for Native American helathcare which is attrocious.[/quote]

yes because you are so well aware of the activist work that i do. i love you and i humbly regret any ill feeling between us[/quote]

What activism are you involved in?[/quote]

i am involved with a group of folks that are doing ethnographic recording work for native language recovery and cultural revitalization. I am also involved in an indigenous grassroots non profit organization that works with many native communities for a variety of reasons, including, yes, Native American health related issues. i am also involved in senior rights in SF because they suck hella bad here. Thats all i care to explain.[/quote]

How did you become involved in this?

Seems you are a good, productive person.

Teignub · Post by **Teignub** » 02 Oct 2009, 03:45

mainly through connections (my friends) and through school. I work with my professors on most of the stuff.

Noyka · Post by **Noyka** » 02 Oct 2009, 06:23

[quote name="Teignub"]
[quote name="Noyka"]
[quote name="Teignub"]
[quote name="Noyka"]Have you ever tried you know not calling people murderers?

Genocide happens all over the world, try being an activist for something that's still occuring or for Native American helathcare which is attrocious.[/quote]

yes because you are so well aware of the activist work that i do. i love you and i humbly regret any ill feeling between us[/quote]

What activism are you involved in?[/quote]

i am involved with a group of folks that are doing ethnographic recording work for native language recovery and cultural revitalization. I am also involved in an indigenous grassroots non profit organization that works with many native communities for a variety of reasons, including, yes, Native American health related issues. i am also involved in senior rights in SF because they suck hella bad here. Thats all i care to explain.[/quote]

That's great, I'm used to most who cry murder (like Van Jones) actually not doing a damn thing about it. Sorry for going off on you it wasn't needed.

Abzu · Post by **Abzu** » 02 Oct 2009, 19:38

[quote name="Uber Grim Kvlt"]
[quote name="abzu"]
[quote name="Uber Grim Kvlt"]
[quote name="baron von blondle"]erosion of cultural identity, loss of identity, macdonalds republic.

i would fight against this idea with my very heart, soul and as much high explosive as I could procure.[/quote]

I agree, but this has already happened with multiculturalism.

Look, as Americans we have no identity. We have to look at our ancestral past to find some sort of identity and being.[/quote]

This is one point wherein I agree with you, UGK. I will add that some of us look to our states for that as well (this is big with states like Vermont, Texas, and some southerners)[/quote]

Teggy?[/quote]

oops - wasnt paying attention.

fixed.

Lavabug · Post by **Lavabug** » 02 Oct 2009, 20:21

[quote name="Uber Grim Kvlt"]
[quote name="Teignub"]
[quote name="Noyka"]
[quote name="Teignub"]
[quote name="Noyka"]Have you ever tried you know not calling people murderers?

Genocide happens all over the world, try being an activist for something that's still occuring or for Native American helathcare which is attrocious.[/quote]

yes because you are so well aware of the activist work that i do. i love you and i humbly regret any ill feeling between us[/quote]

What activism are you involved in?[/quote]

i am involved with a group of folks that are doing ethnographic recording work for native language recovery and cultural revitalization. I am also involved in an indigenous grassroots non profit organization that works with many native communities for a variety of reasons, including, yes, Native American health related issues. i am also involved in senior rights in SF because they suck hella bad here. Thats all i care to explain.[/quote]

How did you become involved in this?

Seems you are a good, productive person.[/quote]

He's a communist.

Abzu · Post by **Abzu** » 02 Oct 2009, 23:06

Here's another question.

What do you think about a single currency, based on tangible resources?

(personally, I prefer resource trading over representational currency)

Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm-Flailing Tube Man · 02 Oct 2009, 23:28

[quote name="abzu"]Here's another question.

What do you think about a single currency, based on tangible resources?

(personally, I prefer resource trading over representational currency)[/quote]

Questions like this always ignore the factor of: who decides? and what gives them the right to make this decision?

If you prefer method A, are you going to throw me in jail or shoot me for wanting to pursue method B?

There's no sense in pretending to have discussions with people who just want to shoot and cage people who disagree with them.

Abzu · Post by **Abzu** » 02 Oct 2009, 23:32

[quote name="Chaohinon"]
[quote name="abzu"]Here's another question.

What do you think about a single currency, based on tangible resources?

(personally, I prefer resource trading over representational currency)[/quote]

Questions like this always ignore the factor of: who decides? and what gives them the right to make this decision?

If you prefer method A, are you going to throw me in jail or shoot me for wanting to pursue method B?

There's no sense in pretending to have discussions with people who just want to shoot and cage people who disagree with them.[/quote]

Dont you hate it when people don't ask you the questions you wanted to answer?

I'm ignoring nothing. I'm simply asking the one thing as a hypothetical. You act like I'm the government. If I wanted to ask who decides, I would have asked, "Hey who do you think decides?"