even Deicide is on the hate wagon

Abzu · Post by **Abzu** » 19 Jun 2011, 01:06

It is true that Deicide has been putting out sub par material for twice as long as the time since the last good Morbid Angel album. Still, I think anyone with ears has the right to talk shit about IDI.

Hallucinating dead · Post by **Hallucinating dead** » 19 Jun 2011, 01:14

Well in that case everyone has the RIGHT to say anything to anyone, since words dont hurt physically.

Abzu · Post by **Abzu** » 19 Jun 2011, 03:12

Well, mostly that is true; but, that's not what I said.

TamPron · Post by **TamPron** » 19 Jun 2011, 04:37

[quote name="^_____________^"]CH just broke the fucking internet with all of those :lol:s[/quote]

zambon · Post by **zambon** » 19 Jun 2011, 05:04

[quote name=";,,;"]It is true that Deicide has been putting out sub par material for twice as long as the time since the last good Morbid Angel album. Still, I think anyone with ears has the right to talk shit about IDI.[/quote]

He can says whatever he wants. Illud being a shit record doesnt erase the fact that Decide sucks for almost 20 years. How patetic is that? Bashing something else even if I cant do much better

shubniggurath · Post by **shubniggurath** » 19 Jun 2011, 05:22

[quote name="zambon"]
[quote name=";,,;"]It is true that Deicide has been putting out sub par material for twice as long as the time since the last good Morbid Angel album. Still, I think anyone with ears has the right to talk shit about IDI.[/quote]

He can says whatever he wants. Illud being a shit record doesnt erase the fact that Decide sucks for almost 20 years. How patetic is that? Bashing something else even if I cant do much better

[/quote]

The stuff that Deicide did after Once... doesn't appeal to me. Most of it is weak. But at least it's death metal and at least Glen isn't singing "we been bashin' god's son, since 1991" or "we're livin' hardcore blasphemous, we'll always suck the virgin Mary's pussy lips" or even "the caco daemon marching on, man." The latter day Deicide stuff is weak, but at least it's not weak and self-referential and counter to what they always stood for. Illud is all three.

Conservative_Heretic · Post by **Conservative_Heretic** » 19 Jun 2011, 06:17

[quote name=";,,;"]
[quote name="Conservative_Heretic"]IDI gives a meaning and expressionism to that voice I have held.

The Ancient Ones are on the cusp of reaching the masses, is this not what we would want to have?[/quote]

PHILADELPHIA[/quote]

You are a good brother

Thank you

Uros · Post by **Uros** » 19 Jun 2011, 10:05

[quote name="TranscendingMusic"]Legion is badass.

Best benton vocals imo. Amazing and vicious layering and reverberation techniques.[/quote]

True true. I also like how chainsaw-y the bass guitar sounds. Like it's gonna rip your head off any second.

Of course, the material is really killer, their best imo. Revocate the agitator!

bob_here · Post by **bob_here** » 19 Jun 2011, 11:38

[quote name="slimegod"] ...But at least it's death metal and at least Glen isn't singing "we been bashin' god's son, since 1991" or "we're livin' hardcore blasphemous... [/quote]

Abzu · Post by **Abzu** » 19 Jun 2011, 11:43

[quote name="Conservative_Heretic"]
[quote name=";,,;"]
[quote name="Conservative_Heretic"]IDI gives a meaning and expressionism to that voice I have held.

The Ancient Ones are on the cusp of reaching the masses, is this not what we would want to have?[/quote]

PHILADELPHIA[/quote]

You are a good brother

Thank you[/quote]

I am druuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuunkas a cuntymcCunt

TamPron · Post by **TamPron** » 19 Jun 2011, 11:47

[quote name="COCK BALLS PUBE TITS"]
[quote name="^_____________^"]CH just broke the fucking internet with all of those :lol:s[/quote]

[/quote]

Mr. P · Post by **Mr. P** » 19 Jun 2011, 12:46

[quote name="TranscendingMusic"]
[quote name="slimegod"] ...But at least it's death metal and at least Glen isn't singing "we been bashin' god's son, since 1991" or "we're livin' hardcore blasphemous... [/quote]

[/quote]

^_____________^ · Post by **^_____________^** » 19 Jun 2011, 16:14

[quote name="COCK BALLS PUBE TITS"]
[quote name="COCK BALLS PUBE devy's clits"]
[quote name="^_____________^"]CH just broke the fucking internet with all of those :lol:s[/quote]

[/quote][/quote]

He posted a whole page of emotes then deleted them.

TamPron · Post by **TamPron** » 19 Jun 2011, 18:10

He's back again?

Mr. P · Post by **Mr. P** » 19 Jun 2011, 19:14

[quote name="COCK BALLS PUBE TITS"]He's back again?

[/quote]

Abzu · Post by **Abzu** » 19 Jun 2011, 21:21

No, CH has been redefined to conservative_heretic.

luis138 · Post by **luis138** » 19 Jun 2011, 22:14

Why is Glenn Benton (the Bozo the Clown of death metal) still alive? Didn't he turn 33 eons ago?

Luis

RitesOfPossession · Post by **RitesOfPossession** » 19 Jun 2011, 22:47

[quote name="luis138"]Why is Glenn Benton (the Bozo the Clown of death metal) still alive? Didn't he turn 33 eons ago?

Luis[/quote]

The way I understand it is that once he acutally reached 33 he declared that suicide "was for pussies" and decided to go on living.

shubniggurath · Post by **shubniggurath** » 20 Jun 2011, 00:07

[quote name="RitesOfPossession"]
[quote name="luis138"]Why is Glenn Benton (the Bozo the Clown of death metal) still alive? Didn't he turn 33 eons ago?

Luis[/quote]

The way I understand it is that once he acutally reached 33 he declared that suicide "was for pussies" and decided to go on living.[/quote]

He was talking to a journalist and drunk on tequila when he said he was going to kill himself at 33. Then it got around and he never denied it. But it was never a real plan.

vO)))id · Post by **vO)))id** » 20 Jun 2011, 00:21

GLEN BENTON IS MY NEW GOD!!!!

BYE BYE MALMSTEEN! YOU ARE NOT MY NEW GOD!

Conservative_Heretic · Post by **Conservative_Heretic** » 20 Jun 2011, 00:22

[quote name="^_____________^"]
[quote name="COCK BALLS PUBE devy's clits"]
[quote name="COCK BALLS PUBE devy's clits"]
[quote name="^_____________^"]CH just broke the fucking internet with all of those :lol:s[/quote]

[/quote][/quote]

He posted a whole page of emotes then deleted them.

[/quote]

But I didn't delete them

I think I was overruled, but it damn sure was a shitload, a good couple ten thousand or so

vO)))id · Post by **vO)))id** » 20 Jun 2011, 00:25

haha i missed that then! i didnt delete it

Conservative_Heretic · Post by **Conservative_Heretic** » 20 Jun 2011, 00:26

[quote name="slimegod"] singing "we been bashin' god's son, since 1991" or "we're livin' hardcore blasphemous, we'll always suck the virgin Mary's pussy lips" or even "the caco daemon marching on, man." [/quote]

Mutilator · Post by **Mutilator** » 20 Jun 2011, 04:17

SATAN SPAWN THE TACO DEAMON!!!

Anjel · Post by **Anjel** » 20 Jun 2011, 04:25

[quote name="Mutilator"]SATAN SPAWN THE TACO DEAMON!!![/quote]

Abzu · Post by **Abzu** » 20 Jun 2011, 07:06

Taco Daemon

LAVAGOD · Post by **LAVAGOD** » 20 Jun 2011, 07:52

looks like the taco daemon got the shits and is just jealous they havent put out anything good since "once..." Deicide is great but wheres here album to show against Illud..ive said it before and il say it again personally i love illud and have been a huge deicide fan. but right now deicide can get pounded by son black hard-on bearer named tyrese cause thats just disrespect and horseshit! Deicide

Abzu · Post by **Abzu** » 20 Jun 2011, 08:18

[quote name="LAVAGOD"]looks like the taco daemon got the shits and is just jealous they havent put out anything good since "once..." Deicide is great but wheres here album to show against Illud..ive said it before and il say it again personally i love illud and have been a huge deicide fan. but right now deicide can get pounded by son black hard-on bearer named tyrese cause thats just disrespect and horseshit! Deicide

[/quote]

It's no different than when any of us talk shit about IDI.

xr2m · Post by **xr2m** » 20 Jun 2011, 08:47

[quote name=";,,;"]
[quote name="LAVAGOD"]looks like the taco daemon got the shits and is just jealous they havent put out anything good since "once..." Deicide is great but wheres here album to show against Illud..ive said it before and il say it again personally i love illud and have been a huge deicide fan. but right now deicide can get pounded by son black hard-on bearer named tyrese cause thats just disrespect and horseshit! Deicide

[/quote]

It's no different than when any of us talk shit about IDI.[/quote]

I gotta be honest - the last three Deicide albums (Stench, Till Death, and To Hell With God) kick the everloving shit out of Illud. Deicide has never been on the same "spiritual" level or have had the unbelievable lava that MA brings, but after Illud, MA has nothing to show in that department. This should have been the cover to Illud:

Of course, Bernie is Trey nowadays.

LAVAGOD · Post by **LAVAGOD** » 20 Jun 2011, 08:50

[quote name="xr2m"]Of course, Bernie is Trey nowadays.[/quote] thats a sad thought

Conservative_Heretic · Post by **Conservative_Heretic** » 20 Jun 2011, 20:47

All my spittle showering from earlier aside, I agree that Legion is one helluva an album. For me, I think it is the best album Deicide did. I also think when the Hoffman brothers left it dealt a severe blow to them musically but I can also honestly say I never considered nor do I consider now myself a fan of this band. Glen has repeatedly stated in interviews over the decades that he is a christian Satanist so I have to accept that the limitation of his "spiritual" works would be, well, very limited since he limits himself to begin with. I would not mind seeing them live and Glenn very well may be an interesting hard-on bearer to have a beer with but that is the extent of it for me. I appreciate the compactness of their songs and each one is able to stand on its own, which is impressive. I remember the hatred the two bands had for each other back in the day and I believe that is probably why I never got more into Deicide as my loyalty was with Morbid Angel. Similar to the old Metallica vs Megadeth feud from waaaaaayyyyy back. Showing age now.

And as one of the members here who does like IDI I also have to be honest and agree that any of Deicide's albums as a whole is superior when it comes to just speed, intensity, and in your face action when put up against IDI. But overall Deicide will never and can never come close to the musical prowess of Azagthoth and Company. Though I am having to continually digest and accept that MA experimented with some interesting shit

on this offering, Morbid Angel is about to have that crown snatched away from them and it is only by themselves giving it away.

The "J" album will need to be monumental and go back to doing what they excelled at or MA will be relegated to a lower tier never to arise again, but there is still hope for them.

Fuck, I never figured I would say those above words; they taste like bile in my mouth.

Abzu · Post by **Abzu** » 20 Jun 2011, 20:51

I demand a J album in the next two years.

Conservative_Heretic · Post by **Conservative_Heretic** » 20 Jun 2011, 20:58

[quote name="TranscendingMusic"]I'm sorry but even in considering "The Ancient Ones" as a metaphor, by virtue of what "they" are, "the masses" and them do not go hand in hand let alone the same sentence. That's the whole point. When MA did what they used to do, it was exclusive: not just for anyone.[/quote]

Bob - you are spot on. A ridiculous drunk rambling pile of stupidity is what that was from me. Exclusivity is a great way of expressing it and that is gone now. Even going back and reading the lyrics again and again, they are so childlike when compared to any song off any of their previous works. It is disheartening.

Conservative_Heretic · Post by **Conservative_Heretic** » 20 Jun 2011, 20:59

[quote name=";,,;"]I demand a J album in the next two years.[/quote]

I am worried it may take longer if Dave is still going to be part of the Terrorizer lineup with their release coming out next year.

[edit] OR: From a strictly business relationship, if this album were to be a flop, don't know if it is tracking that way or not, but if sales were much lower than expected is it possible Dave could be asked to leave, but then again, I can't get on the wagon this was all Dave as Trey had the final voice. Interview after interview I have read acknowledges that the entire album was Trey's from start to finish. Other members contributed but overall the final decision were all Trey's so if that is true, than, shit. I gotta stop thinking about this, where's that new Hate Eternal . . . . . {walks off muttering obscenities under his breath while glaring

}

bob_here · Post by **bob_here** » 20 Jun 2011, 21:24

Ahh the new Hate Eternal... now if you want death metal with subtle experimentation that doesn't convolute the genre, this is it man. Aside from my desire to want to hear a sonic 180 with HE productions, musically this is what we need now in light of illud.

Abzu · Post by **Abzu** » 20 Jun 2011, 21:52

I can't say enough good about the new HE. I really just can't. It's fucking awesome.

luis138 · Post by **luis138** » 20 Jun 2011, 22:15

[quote name=";,,;"]I can't say enough good about the new HE. I really just can't. It's fucking awesome.[/quote]

So is the new Nader Sadek.

Luis

luis138 · Post by **luis138** » 20 Jun 2011, 22:19

[quote name="RitesOfPossession"]
[quote name="luis138"]Why is Glenn Benton (the Bozo the Clown of death metal) still alive? Didn't he turn 33 eons ago?

Luis[/quote]

The way I understand it is that once he acutally reached 33 he declared that suicide "was for pussies" and decided to go on living.[/quote]

In other words: "Shit, the gimmick caught on to me, I am 33 now but I am to much of a chicken shit to actually do it, not that I ever planned on doing it. I was hoping people would have forgotten by now. I'll just come up with a good excuse. Suicide is for pussies, yeah that's the ticket."

Sounds like the hard-on bearer that keeps predicting the rapture, Harold Camping. Just find a new excuse when his shit turns out to be a lie.

Luis

Abzu · Post by **Abzu** » 20 Jun 2011, 23:40

[quote name="luis138"]
[quote name=";,,;"]I can't say enough good about the new HE. I really just can't. It's fucking awesome.[/quote]

So is the new Nader Sadek.

Luis[/quote]

shubniggurath · Post by **shubniggurath** » 21 Jun 2011, 06:43

[quote name="TranscendingMusic"]Ahh the new Hate Eternal... now if you want death metal with subtle experimentation that doesn't convolute the genre, this is it man. Aside from my desire to want to hear a sonic 180 with HE productions, musically this is what we need now in light of illud.[/quote]

Ha some teenager at the HE gig was taking Rutan to task for having no dynamic range. Erik was a good sport about it.

I like the way the latest sounds more than the previous one, but the vox sound buried to me. I thought that I, monarch was his best *balanced* HE mix as far as being able to hear the instruments.

bob_here · Post by **bob_here** » 21 Jun 2011, 07:12

I couldn't agree more about I monarch. Relatively speaking, the new one definitely sounds better. Overall the albums after conquering sort of all have a sonic signature that I geniunely believe is not letting the brutality shine with clarity: ya know, big, full, and 3D [if that makes sense]. It's just my opinion though. I do understand what it's like mixing your own stuff and it is difficult. I would really love to hear another's take on a HE mix. An elite sonic sounding record is the final icing on the cake for HE.

The dynamic range comment I think is due to some miscomprehension as to what is needed. WHo knows though the kid probally had the right sentiment, he just used the wrong wording there. Metal in general is not really a music that calls for dynamic range. There is such a thing though as creating a mix that conveys "dynamics" amongst the instruments and betwee them as well as they interact. A metal mix or master can still however sound squashed, lifeless or flat. But still dynamic range is suitable terminology for acoustic, classical or jazz styles of music.

shubniggurath · Post by **shubniggurath** » 21 Jun 2011, 12:23

[quote name="TranscendingMusic"]I couldn't agree more about I monarch. Relatively speaking, the new one definitely sounds better. Overall the albums after conquering sort of all have a sonic signature that I geniunely believe is not letting the brutality shine with clarity: ya know, big, full, and 3D [if that makes sense]. It's just my opinion though. I do understand what it's like mixing your own stuff and it is difficult. I would really love to hear another's take on a HE mix. An elite sonic sounding record is the final icing on the cake for HE. [/quote]

I know what you mean regarding 3D aspect. I think a part of that is stereo imaging, to be honest, contributing to the creation of a soundstage. IMO a good mix sounds better over loudspeakers than with headphones. The headphones are nice for isolation but shit tends to sound "inside your head" as one would expect. I think handling low end is also a huge part of the puzzle (although the whole spectrum is important). Especially in death metal where you often have a lot of detuning and you have the kicks going constantly at times, it's hard to have a nice full low end without it getting too muddy.

As far as mixing your own stuff...honestly I think Fury and Flames is a clear example of the mixer (Rutan) being so close to the project that he lost some perspective, or at least the ability to be objective. I think any outside producer or alternate mixer would have immediately said hey, it sounds heavy, but I can't really hear your guitars. I think because he knew the riffs so intimately, his brain must have "filled in the blanks" during playback, because you can't really hear them in the final mix. Kind of like times that I've been to a show and it doesn't sound great, but since I know what the song sounds like my brain kinda tricks me into thinking that the guitars are really clear, or the vocals or what have you.

[quote name="TranscendingMusic"]The dynamic range comment I think is due to some miscomprehension as to what is needed. WHo knows though the kid probally had the right sentiment, he just used the wrong wording there. Metal in general is not really a music that calls for dynamic range. There is such a thing though as creating a mix that conveys "dynamics" amongst the instruments and betwee them as well as they interact. A metal mix or master can still however sound squashed, lifeless or flat. But still dynamic range is suitable terminology for acoustic, classical or jazz styles of music.[/quote]

Actually I think you're right about the kid using maybe the wrong terminology. English was clearly his second language (from his accent I think he may have been Japanese). You would not expect a ton of dynamic range on a HE record as you don't have quiet, chill passages, JJ playing an acoustic fretless bass and Jade hitting a snare drum with brushes for a tripped out section, etc. But what I more hear lacking at times is that dynamic aspect of the instrumentation where the individual parts "pop out" where they're supposed to. A lot of times it sounds heavy and all but sort of homogenous, sonically. Especially on this new one, as much as there is intense blasting going on a lot of the time, I think there were opportunities for a "richer" mix harmonically at times that were missed. I don't know the titles well enough yet to mention many specific examples, but I remember parts in the first song, toward the end of Haunting Abound, and a few others where I thought that parts just didn't "shine" individually and they needed to.

Anyway, it's a really great record.

KevinP · Post by **KevinP** » 23 Jun 2011, 02:07

Even with Radikult, Dave is way cooler than Benton could ever hope to be.

Fuck, Dave can wear a pink tutu on stage and hump Trey's leg to it and he's still be better than Benton.

KevinP · Post by **KevinP** » 23 Jun 2011, 02:10

My favorite Benton story is him and the family were at a "Pick Your Own Strawberries" place and the guitarist of Monstrosity saw him and said "Hi". Glen proceed to tell him "you enver saw me here".

Boy does someone take himself waaaaay too fucking seriously. "Shit man, I can't but the new Deicide album, that fucker eats strawberries".

Maybe that's why every tour they do is cancelled, he's too busy picking berries

bob_here · Post by **bob_here** » 23 Jun 2011, 02:21

[quote name="slimegod"] I know what you mean regarding 3D aspect. I think a part of that is stereo imaging, to be honest, contributing to the creation of a soundstage. IMO a good mix sounds better over loudspeakers than with headphones. The headphones are nice for isolation but shit tends to sound "inside your head" as one would expect. I think handling low end is also a huge part of the puzzle (although the whole spectrum is important). Especially in death metal where you often have a lot of detuning and you have the kicks going constantly at times, it's hard to have a nice full low end without it getting too muddy.

As far as mixing your own stuff...honestly I think Fury and Flames is a clear example of the mixer (Rutan) being so close to the project that he lost some perspective, or at least the ability to be objective. I think any outside producer or alternate mixer would have immediately said hey, it sounds heavy, but I can't really hear your guitars. I think because he knew the riffs so intimately, his brain must have "filled in the blanks" during playback, because you can't really hear them in the final mix. Kind of like times that I've been to a show and it doesn't sound great, but since I know what the song sounds like my brain kinda tricks me into thinking that the guitars are really clear, or the vocals or what have you.

Actually I think you're right about the kid using maybe the wrong terminology. English was clearly his second language (from his accent I think he may have been Japanese). You would not expect a ton of dynamic range on a HE record as you don't have quiet, chill passages, JJ playing an acoustic fretless bass and Jade hitting a snare drum with brushes for a tripped out section, etc. But what I more hear lacking at times is that dynamic aspect of the instrumentation where the individual parts "pop out" where they're supposed to. A lot of times it sounds heavy and all but sort of homogenous, sonically. Especially on this new one, as much as there is intense blasting going on a lot of the time, I think there were opportunities for a "richer" mix harmonically at times that were missed. I don't know the titles well enough yet to mention many specific examples, but I remember parts in the first song, toward the end of Haunting Abound, and a few others where I thought that parts just didn't "shine" individually and they needed to.

Anyway, it's a really great record.[/quote]

Yep headphones are great for checking critical errors or glitches but it takes alot of experience to be able to mix or master on them accurately let alone solely rely on them. In fact, one even could completely miss psychoacoustic effects that can only be experienced over speakers with the proper and natural interaction of the environment and your ears. May be I can do a small snippet demomstration at presenting a different take of some HE stuff like i did with Cleansed in Pestilence, if some of you are interested? I really wanted to give this new album a go at least at the mastering, I was telling JJ, but I suppose my timing wasn't good and it was all already planned to go where it finally went.

Hallucinating dead · Post by **Hallucinating dead** » 23 Jun 2011, 02:28

Your work is always good and inspirational Bob, I would love to hear it.

Conservative_Heretic · Post by **Conservative_Heretic** » 23 Jun 2011, 02:43

[quote name="lava Ghoul"]Your work is always good and inspirational Bob, I would love to hear it.

[/quote]

shubniggurath · Post by **shubniggurath** » 23 Jun 2011, 03:55

[quote name="KevinP"]My favorite Benton story is him and the family were at a "Pick Your Own Strawberries" place and the guitarist of Monstrosity saw him and said "Hi". Glen proceed to tell him "you enver saw me here".

Boy does someone take himself waaaaay too fucking seriously. "Shit man, I can't but the new Deicide album, that fucker eats strawberries".

Maybe that's why every tour they do is cancelled, he's too busy picking berries

[/quote]

Ha ha I've heard the same story, but it was one of the Brutality guys. Telephone game.

shubniggurath · Post by **shubniggurath** » 23 Jun 2011, 03:58

[quote name="lava Ghoul"]Your work is always good and inspirational Bob, I would love to hear it.

[/quote]

+1

bob_here · Post by **bob_here** » 23 Jun 2011, 04:03

alright then my friends, expect something most likely tomorrow evening