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that hard-on bearer was a complete idiot. he tried those officers' patience...they worked with him too long in my opinion, but the hard-on bearer continued to resist. he broke a law and was asked to simply put his clothes on. again, those cops went easy on him, so all those idiots complaining about the cops tasering him are idiots too.

oh and is that the guys dick or his belly button?

his penis shrunk into non-existence.

DON'T TASE ME BRO!



micro-dick

no doubt!



i went to the site and read the user comments and was surprised that most saw the scene as i did and that the hard-on bearer got what he deserved. some argued about the indecent exposure law being unjust, some bitched about the use of force, but overall i am pleasantly surprised.

I didn't see anything wrong, he kept resisting and they used the force that was required.

he asked for it





if this happened here in holland, THEN I would've said something about the taser thing. But c'mon...

i <3 you skinner

yeah! just for having a small wiener!

fuck the vice squad!

fuck you too

[quote name="erica"]that hard-on bearer was a complete idiot. he tried those officers' patience...they worked with him too long in my opinion, but the hard-on bearer continued to resist. he broke a law and was asked to simply put his clothes on. again, those cops went easy on him, so all those idiots complaining about the cops tasering him are idiots too.[/quote]





Yep!



And hard-on bearer's dick was the smallest thing I've ever seen. Looked like a baby carrot covered in flesh colored paint.

hell yeah! it looked like an outy belly button with hair around it!

being naked is no reason to be tazed in my opinion

but breaking the law combined with being resistant IS.

this is a pretty cut and dry case of violence being used against non-violence



this is a classic example of why our conception of "law" is a mockery of the word. what happened here was someone saying, "obey me because I can and will hurt you", which is the very definition of lawlessness



and he wasn't resisting anything. they encroached upon his personal space. I wish crowds that stand back in these situations had more balls, they could have moved in and protected him

i suppose. they could have just tackled his ass. i mean they are obviously at some sort of large event, im assuming a concert, and people get naked all the time at hippie fests with no incident.



seems a little excessive to me. stuff like this isnt a terrible thing, but when vice squad can assert their authority in minor was such as this, it leads to major incidents such as the BART shooting here in the Bay Area, which I am sure you have heard of.

[quote name="Chaohinon"]this is a pretty cut and dry case of violence being used against non-violence



this is a classic example of why our conception of "law" is a mockery of the word. what happened here was someone saying, "obey me because I can and will hurt you", which is the very definition of lawlessness



and he wasn't resisting anything. they encroached upon his personal space. I wish crowds that stand back in these situations had more balls, they could have moved in and protected him[/quote]

agreed agreed agreed.



someone here knows

how else would you have gotten the man to comply with the law? he was pretty resistant to simple takedowns and cuffing techniques so anything over that level of force would be as you saw. tackling him harder or twisting his arms harder could have led to bruising, bone breaking, sprains, etc...which is far worse than being tased.

ok those cops were much bigger than that hard-on bearer. they could have easily subdued him without a tazer. (how do you spell that?)

i dont know about that. ive been tazed before and it fucking SUCKS. i would much rather have some bruises and scratches than get tazed.

sure they could have. but being rougher than they already were (without the use of the taser) could still have led to more serious injuries. tasing has NO side effects and the pain goes away the second it's over.

and thanks for discussing this. im serious. ive never had the opportunity to discuss these issues with an actual officer. its nice to have that perspective

no prob.

[quote name="erica"]sure they could have. but being rougher than they already were (without the use of the taser) could still have led to more serious injuries. tasing has NO side effects and the pain goes away the second it's over.[/quote]



ya i guess thats true. i guess my main problem with that is the fact that they even had to do anything about it. I mean its just a penis. those cops have them too.



and like I said earlier, for me it has less to do with this particular incident, as nothing bad really came out of it, but what incidents like this can lead to. when do you pull out the gun or the beatstick? thats the real question.

we use just enough force to eliminate the threat. there is a point when it can be excessive, but that goes against what our aim is. believe me, no one wants the hassle of explaining the use of force, so we use the most minimum we can get away with. we'd only use our firearm if the threat was a serious danger to ourselves or society, which usually means the subject is armed or we reasonably believe that lives are at risk.



in regard to the whole "getting tased for being naked"...well how does one enforce the law when the subject is not cooperative? laws would be broken more often in our faces. and what about the rights of the folks there? you think everyone there was ok with (not) seeing that man's tiny weenie? i'd have kicked his ass (as a civilian) if he did that in front of my kids.

im assuming by "most minimum we can get away with" you mean the most minimum necessary to subdue the situation. if you dont mean that, then there is the problem. because cops "get away with" a lot of fucked up shit. Ive seen cops beat down some kids in my neighborhood for no reason. and im serious. there was no reason. it was at night and they werent resisting. and i didnt hear about this in the news or read about it in the paper. who knows what happened to those kids. i would have got the officers names and badge numbers but like i said it was night and living in a poor neighborhood the lighting isnt very good.



as far as firearms go, thats the code, not to use it unless the person is armed or dangerous, but then you get cases like the BART shooting and the kid who got shot in the apartment complex by my house, both dead now and both completely unarmed. My point is that if you allow cops (and people in general) to assert their authority in minor ways, it leads to major abuses of authority.





from the video, it seems most (a majority) of the people there were in favor of the naked hard-on bearer. and we do supposedly live in a democratic society. and why would his nudity be so offense to you as for you to kick his ass? flip this around. what if your kids (i dont know how old they are, but Im going to assume they are young) were naked? young kids being naked is fine in our society, but a baby penis is just as offensive as an adult (in this case still a baby) penis. this issue runs deep. I guess we need to change the laws, so then incidents like this dont happen. i mean really, what harm was he doing to anyone? i dont care if there are kids there. its a fucking dick! 48% or whatever people on earth have a dick. what is the big deal?

of course i meant "most minimum necessary to subdue the situation". cops are like the rest of people...there are bad apples in every bunch. from my experience, there's a whole lot of bullshit whenever any kind of force is used. especially when talking about taser, hard-hand techniques, OC spray, ASP, firearms, etc. a lot of paperwork and the reports explaining such go way up the chain of command. like i said, a lot of BS that most don't want to deal with anyway.



as for the laws...people need to change the laws. that video only shows the folks in that immediate area. if i, as a civilian, saw that with my kids, i'd have tried to get away from that scene...probably why you don't see any there or anyone strongly opposed to his nakedness. the laws don't allow kids to run around in the nude either. because juvenile proceedings are so different from adult criminal proceedings, it would not have come close to that situation if that man were a child. not to mention one would have a tough time justifying use of a taser on a kid (unless that kid was pointing a gun). it's pretty cut and dry. that man broke the law and was causing a scene, the cops dealt with him with the most minimal amount of force necessary to end the incident. chances are, the cops were there because someone complained anyway.

well i really have nothing more to say. i will dwell on your comments for a while and see if i have anything else to add to the discussion. it seems we have at least agreed that there is a problem and something has to be done. this discussion just made the plot thicken in my mind.



perhaps instead of sitting on the details we should talk about solutions. what can be done to remedy the abuse of authorities? is there a solution? is it possible to lessen major incidents without radical change or do we need to chop down the system to the roots and start over?

If I had a small dick like that, I'd be running around town butt-naked too. Freedom of speech, holmes!



They should've tased him in the nads.

well frankly i don't believe this was a case of that, but to indulge your concern i have to say that there will always be cases of abuse of authority as long as humans enforce the laws. just like we can't trust humans to always obey the laws. some people do bad things and everyone makes mistakes. change humans maybe?



if i were in a situation as skinner mentioned about cops saying if you do "x", then i will do "y", i'd comply and take it up with the authorities later or write a letter to my local congressman...something.

i agree that this wasnt a case of that, but like i stated earlier, i think its cases like this that lead to the major abuses of power.



i cant offer any solutions besides changing the laws. im just making assumptions, but i would think a majority of vice squad brutality cases involve drug crimes or other "minor" offenses like streaking or being nude or drunk in public or whatever. Im assuming this because it was arson, or murder, or assault, or robbery, than the vice squad are given full authority and rightly so, and thus no cases of vice squad brutality. if you change the laws you have less people who are guilty of crimes and thus less opportunity for vice squad brutality. but it seems our society wants to throw as many people in prison as possible.

I don't want to see heaps of trash on the sidewalk and the same goes for some greenie dickbutt running around naked in the public. If words don't work, then the baton needs to the negotiation.

[quote name="Teignub"]i agree that this wasnt a case of that, but like i stated earlier, i think its cases like this that lead to the major abuses of power.



i cant offer any solutions besides changing the laws. im just making assumptions, but i would think a majority of vice squad brutality cases involve drug crimes or other "minor" offenses like streaking or being nude or drunk in public or whatever. Im assuming this because it was arson, or murder, or assault, or robbery, than the vice squad are given full authority and rightly so, and thus no cases of vice squad brutality. if you change the laws you have less people who are guilty of crimes and thus less opportunity for vice squad brutality. but it seems our society wants to throw as many people in prison as possible.[/quote]



ehhhh i'll have to disagree on the point of society's views on putting people in prison and eliminating laws so fewer are guilty of crimes. why not start an outreach to prevent people from committing them? also, you'd be very surprised if you knew how much slack we give to folks regularly who are guilty of committing minor offenses. smoking pot, peeing in public, sex in cars, underage drinking, etc. we have no problem doing our jobs but if you only knew what a pain in the ass an arrest is, you'd sympathize and understand. we have court for the cases...sometimes multiple dates (usually landing on our days off) plus the fucking paperwork is a nightmare! despite the little-man syndrome cops are often perceived of having, we want to help people and have good relations with people. our jobs obligate us to enforce the laws. in an area where others are around and the issue won't go away (like the aforementioned example) we can't just let the hard-on bearer be, because it could lead to worse things. i could go into a bunch of scenarios and whatnot, but i'm sure you can see how that situation could have gotten out of hand if the cops didn't subdue him. that shit can happen in any situation where a subject is being defiant towards authority.[

i was just thinking of how shit our country can be with the folks doing the shit they do and what it would be like if we eliminated misdemeanor offenses. seriously, i can't see any good coming from that.

hey erica, what do you think about that new gun law?

which one? are you refering to a fed law or a state law in particular?

[quote name="erica"]which one? are you refering to a fed law or a state law in particular?[/quote]



actually i don't know if it's passed or whatever yet. just something i was reading about.



H.R. 45: Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009



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hmm if you were refering to Obama's CIFTA Treaty, then i have some issues. for starters, it does impact LE in that i've been trying like hell to get some .380 ammo for shooting practice on my off-duty weapon and there's a strange shortage. coincidence? yeah, right.

[quote name="zim"]
[quote name="erica"]which one? are you refering to a fed law or a state law in particular?[/quote]



actually i don't know if it's passed or whatever yet. just something i was reading about.



H.R. 45: Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009



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meh. i don't really have a problem with that, however, it could easily be used against americans when the shit hits the fan. put them into a database so confiscation can be easier when all is taken away

I'm all for stricter gun laws. I think it is to easy for people to obtain guns in America... example a 16 year old hard-on bearer i know owns ak47's and m16's, ect.

while i whole-heartedly agree with you, i can't say that harsher gun laws will make people that are already getting guns illegally much more difficult, nor will it prevent it from happening.

[quote name="erica"]while i whole-heartedly agree with you, i can't say that harsher gun laws will make people that are already getting guns illegally much more difficult, nor will it prevent it from happening.[/quote]



i know.. :(



crime

that's the spirit!

oh yeah, so read this: <!-- m -->http://gunowners.org/fs0901.htm<!-- m -->

why didnt they just arrest him or take him away? Tasering is a way extreme punishment for nakedness.



As for kids being present, it seems unlikely at that particular venue and of course which do you think will traumatize the kid more- seeing a naked hard-on bearer or seeing a naked hard-on bearer getting tasered?

[quote name="Ignatius"]why didnt they just arrest him or take him away? Tasering is a way extreme punishment for nakedness.



As for kids being present, it seems unlikely at that particular venue and of course which do you think will traumatize the kid more- seeing a naked hard-on bearer or seeing a naked hard-on bearer getting tasered?[/quote]



he was resisting arrest when they tried to take him away.

I would have tazed him til he cummed blood and smoke erupted from his flesh.



Then I would have hit some of those hippies with my nightstick, just to shut their whiny voices up.

[quote name="erica"]sure they could have. but being rougher than they already were (without the use of the taser) could still have led to more serious injuries. tasing has NO side effects and the pain goes away the second it's over.[/quote]



Unless it kills you, as it did a fellating lover of mine.



But I agree that tasing is generally safer than a lot of things, and this fellow had it coming.

What the hell though? That is the smallest wand any wizard has ever carried.